Sheffield traded to Tigers

[Optimist]

I wonder what his reception at Yankee Stadium will be like. He didnt exactly go out on good terms.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Tigers trade a top pitching prospect for an old man?

 

Kenny Rogers can't live much longer which would open a spot in there rotation. Looked like a great fit for Sanchez but..... a steroid injected old man in the outfield makes more sense.

[ORS]

Sanchez was like 7th on their young pitcher depth chart.

 

Verlander, Bonderman, Robertson, Miller, Miner, and Tata are a good group going forward.

[a700hitter]

Sanchez was like 7th on their young pitcher depth chart.

 

Verlander, Bonderman, Robertson, Miller, Miner, and Tata are a good group going forward.

The Yankees picked up his option purely to keep him from the Red Sox. They didn't care what they got. None of these guys will help the Yankees in 2007 and maybe...maybe Sanchez gets a cup of coffee in 2008 if they get some injuries. They will hope anyone of these guys pans out. If not they will use them as trading chips at the deadline. Detroit's Dombrowski wasn't going to give up big time talent for a 38 year old broken down outfielder with a $14 million/year price tag. Yankee fans look at that glass again. It's half empty.

[Optimist]

The Yankees picked up his option purely to keep him from the Red Sox. They didn't care what they got. None of these guys will help the Yankees in 2007 and maybe...maybe Sanchez gets a cup of coffee in 2008 if they get some injuries. They will hope anyone of these guys pans out. If not they will use them as trading chips at the deadline. Detroit's Dombrowski wasn't going to give up big time talent for a 38 year old broken down outfielder with a $14 million/year price tag. Yankee fans look at that glass again. It's half empty.

 

:lol:

 

Folks, if you ever want to see someone who has no idea what they're talking about...here's a prime example.

[a700hitter]

:lol:

 

Folks, if you ever want to see someone who has no idea what they're talking about...here's a prime example.

Give me a ring when one of these guys gets 50 innings with the big team If it happens before the end of '08, I'll get you two ticket to watch your team play in that toilet in the Bronx.

[Optimist]

For future reference, I'm a big fan of section 8 in the Upper Deck.

[jacksonianmarch]

The Yankees picked up his option purely to keep him from the Red Sox. They didn't care what they got. None of these guys will help the Yankees in 2007 and maybe...maybe Sanchez gets a cup of coffee in 2008 if they get some injuries. They will hope anyone of these guys pans out. If not they will use them as trading chips at the deadline. Detroit's Dombrowski wasn't going to give up big time talent for a 38 year old broken down outfielder with a $14 million/year price tag. Yankee fans look at that glass again. It's half empty.

 

They gave up one of the best pitching prospects in the bigs who has dominated high levels of the minor leagues. I do not understand your pessimism. This was a raping by Cashman.

[jacksonianmarch]

Give me a ring when one of these guys gets 50 innings with the big team If it happens before the end of '08' date=' I'll get you two ticket to watch your team play in that toilet in the Bronx.[/quote']

 

Sanchez will log 50 innings by the end of 08 if his arm doesnt explode.

[a700hitter]

They gave up one of the best pitching prospects in the bigs who has dominated high levels of the minor leagues. I do not understand your pessimism. This was a raping by Cashman.

This is the guy? Dominating?

 

http://www.tigerscentral.com/players.php?pnum=22278

 

Edit --More updated stats:

 

http://www.rotowire.com/baseball/player.htm?id=8018

[jacksonianmarch]

This is the guy? Dominating?

 

http://www.tigerscentral.com/players.php?pnum=22278

 

you dont have his #s from 2006. They were real impressive. Here they are.

 

AA 5-3 1.76ERA 71.2IP 47H 86K 27BB .190BAA

AAA 5-3 3.86ERA 51.1IP 50H 43K 20BB .260BAA and he was shut down with a tired arm.

[a700hitter]

Sanchez will log 50 innings by the end of 08 if his arm doesnt explode.

I edited my post to include a link to his '06 stats. Several arms on the Yankee staff will have to explode for him to log 50 innings by the end of '08.

[jacksonianmarch]

I edited my post to include a link to his '06 stats. Several arms on the Yankee staff will have to explode for him to log 50 innings by the end of '08.

 

RJ is going to be in the rotation for one more yr. Mussina will be in the rotation for 2 more yrs. Pavano will be on the team for 2 more yrs. Is there anything else I need to say?

[a700hitter]

RJ is going to be in the rotation for one more yr. Mussina will be in the rotation for 2 more yrs. Pavano will be on the team for 2 more yrs. Is there anything else I need to say?

Of course the logical conclusion from this is that the Yankees will have 2 pups like Hughes and Sanchez to go with Wang in the starting rotation. Yes, those are the Yankees that I know. They always have 3 starters averaging age 25 in their rotation.

[CrespoBlows]

If Sanchez continues to pitch well, the Yankees will find room for him.

 

Who's blocking him? Pavano? Wright?

[a700hitter]

If Sanchez continues to pitch well, the Yankees will find room for him.

 

Who's blocking him? Pavano? Wright?

Zito, Santana? Who know what happens in '08 and beyond.

[jacksonianmarch]

Of course the logical conclusion from this is that the Yankees will have 2 pups like Hughes and Sanchez to go with Wang in the starting rotation. Yes' date=' those are the Yankees that I know. They always have 3 starters averaging age 25 in their rotation.[/quote']

 

That is the thing, these are the Yankees that none of us know. These are Cashman's yankees now. The Yankees had always been known as one of the cheapest organizations in the draft and abroad, with the occasional choice of spending too much money on one draft pick and skimping the rest of the draft. Guys like Brien Taylor were given too much money and guys like Mark Prior were allowed to go. This time, Cashman is running the ship. He drafted a young pitcher in 2003 with his top pick, and he is now one of the top pitching prospects in the game. He just had a draft this past season that was loaded with pitching AND they shelled out the money. Guys like Joba Chamberlain and Ian Kennedy were the top two picks, but the biggest steals came in the later rounds with Mark Melancon and Dellin Betances, 2 guys whose contract demands scared off a few teams, and they got 1st ound talent in the 8th and 9th round respectively. Thing is, Melancon just blew out his elbow, but TJ surgery is an artform or a right of passage now, so no sweat off cash's brow. The Yankees are doing what they have not done for years, developing their own pitching. They have seen how easy it is to get good hitting and how harit is to get quality young pitching, so they are drafting it in abundance. Adding Sanchez and the closer they just nabbed will only further that. Also, when was the last time the yankees dealt off an aging vet for rookies? The last I remember was when they dealt off Ventura for Bubba Crosby and Scott Proctor. Half of that equation worked out.

 

For the past 5 or 6 yrs, the yankees have died by their own dearth of pitching. The rules were altered to allow teams to hang onto their young pitching, and it has cost the yankees dearly when the postseason rolls around. They got away from their core when they won the WS which was Pettitte and Mo in the staff with vets like Clemens, Wells, and Cone. Right now, the yankees already have one young kid leading the rotation. If any of these kids develop or if the yankees create a pipeline of pitching talent while they use George's money to buy great hitting talent, then god help the majors. George had the right idea pumping money in, but he didnt use his head. Cashman looks to be using his head, and making this deal is evidence of it.

 

Overall, it is on the Red Sox to swing the balance of power in the east. If the yankees lose out on Matsuzaka, then it will be on them to get Zito or Schmidt or Pettitte etc. If they do not, then 2007 will be a vulnerable yr in the Bronx, but the future is bright. They would have the same top 3 of the rotation, but one yr older (which is only good for 1/3 of that top 3). They would likely try to fill one hole from the minors (Sanchez, Clippard, Hughes) and one hole with Pavano/Karstens/Rasner. That does not look wonderful for 2007 if you are a yankee fan. The sox have to see their window, it is right now. If I were to pick a yr when the sox would have a chance to win the east, 07 is the yr. If all the media reports are wrong and Matsu goes to NY, then god help the major leagues.

[CrespoBlows]

Zito' date=' Santana? Who know what happens in '08 and beyond.[/quote']

 

Zito

Wang

Hughes

Mussina

?????

 

If Mussina flops, he could be traded.

[Gom]

That is the thing, these are the Yankees that none of us know. These are Cashman's yankees now. The Yankees had always been known as one of the cheapest organizations in the draft and abroad, with the occasional choice of spending too much money on one draft pick and skimping the rest of the draft. Guys like Brien Taylor were given too much money and guys like Mark Prior were allowed to go. This time, Cashman is running the ship. He drafted a young pitcher in 2003 with his top pick, and he is now one of the top pitching prospects in the game. He just had a draft this past season that was loaded with pitching AND they shelled out the money. Guys like Joba Chamberlain and Ian Kennedy were the top two picks, but the biggest steals came in the later rounds with Mark Melancon and Dellin Betances, 2 guys whose contract demands scared off a few teams, and they got 1st ound talent in the 8th and 9th round respectively. Thing is, Melancon just blew out his elbow, but TJ surgery is an artform or a right of passage now, so no sweat off cash's brow. The Yankees are doing what they have not done for years, developing their own pitching. They have seen how easy it is to get good hitting and how harit is to get quality young pitching, so they are drafting it in abundance. Adding Sanchez and the closer they just nabbed will only further that. Also, when was the last time the yankees dealt off an aging vet for rookies? The last I remember was when they dealt off Ventura for Bubba Crosby and Scott Proctor. Half of that equation worked out.

 

For the past 5 or 6 yrs, the yankees have died by their own dearth of pitching. The rules were altered to allow teams to hang onto their young pitching, and it has cost the yankees dearly when the postseason rolls around. They got away from their core when they won the WS which was Pettitte and Mo in the staff with vets like Clemens, Wells, and Cone. Right now, the yankees already have one young kid leading the rotation. If any of these kids develop or if the yankees create a pipeline of pitching talent while they use George's money to buy great hitting talent, then god help the majors. George had the right idea pumping money in, but he didnt use his head. Cashman looks to be using his head, and making this deal is evidence of it.

 

Overall, it is on the Red Sox to swing the balance of power in the east. If the yankees lose out on Matsuzaka, then it will be on them to get Zito or Schmidt or Pettitte etc. If they do not, then 2007 will be a vulnerable yr in the Bronx, but the future is bright. They would have the same top 3 of the rotation, but one yr older (which is only good for 1/3 of that top 3). They would likely try to fill one hole from the minors (Sanchez, Clippard, Hughes) and one hole with Pavano/Karstens/Rasner. That does not look wonderful for 2007 if you are a yankee fan. The sox have to see their window, it is right now. If I were to pick a yr when the sox would have a chance to win the east, 07 is the yr. If all the media reports are wrong and Matsu goes to NY, then god help the major leagues.

 

I disagree here. I truly like what the Yankees are doing, they are finally learning to use their money WISELY. I see the Yankees always having the top payroll in baseball [unless the rules change]. What I believe the Yankees will start to do is to sign their young players to lucrative deals for a long time, thus locking up their core when they are younger. Expect to see the Yankees to lock up Wang soon. That will give them some buying power down the road. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Yankees sign free agents, based on todays market, for about 25 million a year every year starting in 2007 or 2008.

 

With the Yankees starting to replenish their farm system, look for the Yankees to be able to turn these players into something else they need, either now or down the road.

 

The Yankees will stop-gap their rotation for now. By trading Wright to the Orioles, as suspected, they will continue to free up money for more suitable players.

 

I think that the overall decline will hurt the Red Sox more than the Yankees in 2007. Their centerpieces, Ortiz, Ramirez, and Schilling are older than Jeter, Arod, and Wang. The only real worry is Mariano. I will cry the day he retires.

[Gom]

BY the way...um...like I said, Sheffield got traded WITHOUT the Yankees picking up any of his salary. Just like I predicted. Holy cow..and they also got three decent prospects. Wow. I must be really lucky. Others out there [not to name names, but ORS comes to mind] thought I was an idiot to presume so. Gosh, I'm glad they were wrong. They know SO MUCH about baseball, and I'm still learning. I love players who hit quadruples!

 

Like I often say, go back to sleep.

 

It's okay, guys. Try real hard, and one day you may get it right. LOL!

[MC Hammer]

How are the Yankees able to f*** so many teams over .... time and time and time and time again?

[jacksonianmarch]

How are the Yankees able to f*** so many teams over .... time and time and time and time again?

 

 

It is called good management (for once).

[a700hitter]

I think that the overall decline will hurt the Red Sox more than the Yankees in 2007. Their centerpieces' date=' Ortiz, Ramirez, and Schilling are older than Jeter, Arod, and Wang. The only real worry is Mariano. I will cry the day he retires.[/quote']What you are saying just does not add up:

 

26 Wang

31 Arod

32 Jeter

32 Matsui

33 Damon

36 Mo

37 Moose

43 Johnson

 

25 Papelbon

26 Beckett

26 Matsuzaka

27 Crisp

30 Ortiz

34 Manny

39 Schilling

[jacksonianmarch]

What you are saying just does not add up:

 

26 Wang

31 Arod

32 Jeter

32 Matsui

33 Damon

36 Mo

37 Moose

43 Johnson

 

25 Papelbon

26 Beckett

26 Matsuzaka

27 Crisp

30 Ortiz

34 Manny

39 Schilling

 

 

dont throw matsuzaka there yet.

[a700hitter]

dont throw matsuzaka there yet.

Keep your false hopes alive. The rumor is too prominent. It would be too embarrassing for ESPN if they are wrong on this. Someone would have tipped ESPN off that the rumor was false. MLB doesn't want one of its major business partners to be embarrassed.

[Optimist]

How are the Yankees able to f*** so many teams over .... time and time and time and time again?

 

I don't think you should pin this one on the Yankees. I doubt Cashman called up the Tigers and asked for three of their good pitching prospects for an aging, deteriorating outfielder.

[ORS]

BY the way...um...like I said' date=' Sheffield got traded WITHOUT the Yankees picking up any of his salary. Just like I predicted. Holy cow..and they also got three decent prospects. Wow. I must be really lucky. Others out there [not to name names, but ORS comes to mind'] thought I was an idiot to presume so. Gosh, I'm glad they were wrong. They know SO MUCH about baseball, and I'm still learning. I love players who hit quadruples!

 

Like I often say, go back to sleep.

 

It's okay, guys. Try real hard, and one day you may get it right. LOL!

Holy f***. What a tool.

 

You've been wrong on numerous occassions about how things work, and you go off like this the one time you were right. Hilarious.

 

Seriously, the sleeping bit, it's just not cutting it. A genius like you has to have some material that doesn't leave people unsure whether or not they are being insulted. Try again.

[jacksonianmarch]

Keep your false hopes alive. The rumor is too prominent. It would be too embarrassing for ESPN if they are wrong on this. Someone would have tipped ESPN off that the rumor was false. MLB doesn't want one of its major business partners to be embarrassed.

 

I am keeping no hopes alive. I just want this thing to end. This is the first domino to fall. MANY will start to fall further. Matsuzaka's destination will be huge in determining where Zito goes.

[a700hitter]

BY the way...um...like I said' date=' Sheffield got traded WITHOUT the Yankees picking up any of his salary. Just like I predicted. Holy cow..and they also got three decent prospects. Wow. I must be really lucky. Others out there [not to name names, but ORS comes to mind'] thought I was an idiot to presume so. Gosh, I'm glad they were wrong. They know SO MUCH about baseball, and I'm still learning. I love players who hit quadruples!

 

Like I often say, go back to sleep.

 

It's okay, guys. Try real hard, and one day you may get it right. LOL!

Check my posts. I said that Sheffield would not want to go and would be a clubhouse cancer if...ifhe didn't get an extension. The extension is what made the deal possible. But I wouldn't count on these prospects ever being big contributors. You are underestimating Dombrowski.

[MC Hammer]

I don't think you should pin this one on the Yankees. I doubt Cashman called up the Tigers and asked for three of their good pitching prospects for an aging' date=' deteriorating outfielder.[/quote']

I'm blaming the teams letting the Yankees do it. I can't blame the Yanks for taking advantage of dumbass GMs.