Matsuzaka News

[jacksonianmarch]

This certainly is suspenseful.

 

I guess I think the Sox have a very good shot. NOT because I think there is some metaphysical reason the sox and matsuzaka are destined for each other, or because I think the Sox are a good fit for him.

 

1. I think they have a good shot because I imagine the FO knew roughly what the bid would be (within a few million dollars), beyond just assuming it would be something like 28 million. I think each and every team assessed what his value would be and developed their bid from there. So I'm one to assume that the sox made a very serious offer while knowing roughly what the other teams would offer, based on logic, reason and the nuances of the current market, including the Yankees.

 

2. Given their loss in the Contreras sweepstakes I see the sox going above what their estemated value is.

 

Contreras was a completely different animal. He was a free agent. Matsuzaka is in the Japanese league. It may cost the sox or whomever gets his the amount that Contreras signed for just to talk to Matsu. Huge difference.

[example1]

It certainly could. It loks very good for Seibu if the player goes to a place that has a good market' date=' and it would behoove Seibu to have the highest bid be a team that Matsu will sign with.[/quote']

 

If he's not willing to sign because he doesn't like the team that bid for him, then I consider this whole process to be a bit of a ruse. I understand his desire to play for one of the "big teams" (and I'm not sure Boston is currently on his list), but any team that can bid enough to enter the bidding process and pay you like a good #2 starter without having you having thrown a pitch is a legitimate club. The most expensive team in the Japanese league is the Yomuri Giants (my cursory search is correct on this, I hope) and they spend 3,860,850,000 yen a season. That's roughly $32,876,000. For 63 players.

 

There is one team that spends less than that in MLB. Florida (14 million). Tampa Bay spent 35 million last year.

 

In other words, I don't see how he could turn down the amount of money he would make in the MLB, even at the salary of an above average pitcher (say, 9-11 million). That's so much money and he's too good and too young to pass it up. One injury and he goes from being the hottest thing in baseball to someone worth taking a flyer on at $1,750,000. Too risky to pass it up.

 

That's his decision, not Boras's

[example1]

Contreras was a completely different animal. He was a free agent. Matsuzaka is in the Japanese league. It may cost the sox or whomever gets his the amount that Contreras signed for just to talk to Matsu. Huge difference.

 

The comparison I was making obviously had nothing to do with the financials. it had to do with the commonality of competition against the Yankees. The sox were embarassed by the contreras situation, they've indicated that they're involved with the matsuzaka thing so I imagine they're trying to avoid embarassment at the hands of the spanks again. The need a SP badly and they could get the first good option to start off the offseason.

[Ray10]

So I guess we have to wait another day to learn who won the bid on Matsukaza. I am crossing my fingers and praying that the Red Sox won the bid for this guy. He would be a GREAT pickup for the Sox. Please oh Please let the Sox win this.

[example1]

So I guess we have to wait another day to learn who won the bid on Matsukaza. I am crossing my fingers and praying that the Red Sox won the bid for this guy. He would be a GREAT pickup for the Sox. Please oh Please let the Sox win this.

 

I doubt it will be another day. Depending on where you are it could be another night, but it is currently 2:53 pm in Japan. Apparently the Seibu Lions had a meeting about the subject at 2:00. That doesn't mean they'll announce right away, but it could (for those of us anxiously checking the internet for news).

[BSN07]

Reports on espn.com have Boras wanting a 3 year deal so he can test FA again at 29. This could end up being very smart or incredibly stupid. If he turns out to be what he is being hyped as, at 29 we could see one of the biggest contracts every for a starting #1 pitcher. If he flops like Irabu, Boras will be kicking himself for passing up the more long term deals now. Boras is a tool no matter what happens, and if I ever met him i'd like to kick him in the balls for being the tool he is lol.

[jacksonianmarch]

http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/sports/15978344.htm

 

Looks like the Rangers made a major bid, potentially over 30 mil. That is all that is known.

[BSN07]

Theres so many rumors going around its not worth debating until the true answer comes out.

[BSN07]

got this from foxsports.com ben mallers section,

 

 

While the Yankees and all of baseball wait to find out who won the right to negotiate with Japanese right-hander Daisuke Matsuzaka, media reports out of Japan said the Seibu Lions were disappointed with the amount of the highest bid in the "posting" process and would need more time before deciding whether to accept it. Seibu was told only the amount of the highest bid and not the identity of the team that made the top sealed bid. The reports indicated the amount may be less than $15 million as opposed to the more than the $20 million some expected. The Yankees and Mets were presumed to have made a bid, along with Texas, Boston, Arizona, Cleveland and the Chicago Cubs.

 

 

Posted November 10, by Ben Maller

[AirPantapas]

got this from foxsports.com ben mallers section,

 

 

While the Yankees and all of baseball wait to find out who won the right to negotiate with Japanese right-hander Daisuke Matsuzaka, media reports out of Japan said the Seibu Lions were disappointed with the amount of the highest bid in the "posting" process and would need more time before deciding whether to accept it. Seibu was told only the amount of the highest bid and not the identity of the team that made the top sealed bid. The reports indicated the amount may be less than $15 million as opposed to the more than the $20 million some expected. The Yankees and Mets were presumed to have made a bid, along with Texas, Boston, Arizona, Cleveland and the Chicago Cubs.

 

 

Posted November 10, by Ben Maller

 

Thats why its taking so long, I'm hearing dyke lady Jackie McMullen saying hes going to the Angels or the Rangers bid 30millon.

[jsinger121]

Olney is reporting the Red Sox have won it!!!!!

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2656687

[Soxfan1]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2656687

 

According to Buster Olney, an official Major League source claims the Red Sox may have won the bidding, with a big in between $38-$45 million

 

 

YES!!!!

[AirPantapas]

Olney is reporting the Red Sox have won it!!!!!

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2656687

 

holla please be true.

[AirPantapas]

Is 45 million to much?

 

also if he doesn't sign a contract with us we get the money back correct.

[ORS]

"May have..."

 

This just in, Bob Saccamano is reporting the Indonesian National Team has won the bid with 65 Trillion Rambitan (~ $0.32 US Dollars) and a lifetime supply of Cheetos.

 

Seven rumors, seven amounts from $15M to $45M, seven winners. Am I stuck in the Die Hard with a Vengence phone scene with Samuel L., Bruce Willis, and Jeremy Irons?

[Rdsxmbnt]

OMG if hope thats true! YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!1!!!!1111!

[BSN07]

Buster Olney is a pretty reputable guy, so hopefully all this holds up to be true! And wow we cant't bitch at the FO for not spending money if they really bid between 38-45 million.

[BSN07]

And if the Sox got him prepare yourself's for the"i'm glad we didn't get him" NYY fans.

[Rdsxmbnt]

im already seeing it after a quick visit to nyyfans lol

[redsoxrules]

im already seeing it after a quick visit to nyyfans lol

 

i was just about to say that..lol yeah their allready saying its stupid to pay someone that much thats unproven

[Bosoxwest]

Given Olney's cartoonish hatred of the Sox that could be a cruel prank on his part. I'm not holding my breath. However, I may be crossing my fingers.

[riverside sluggers]

god damn if this is true!!!!!

 

Now thats something to wake up to haha.

[26 Reasons to Hate Us]

I'll go on record and say that I wanted him, and I thought the yankees had a good shot at him because spending money is what they do best. Sucks that they didn't get him, and it sucks even more because the Sox were the ones that did. Oh well, time to look at Barry Zito..

 

BTW Sox fans, if this is true, do you see this as the only big name the Sox sign this year? Or will the spending continue all offseason?

[Redsoxpoop]

And if the Sox got him prepare yourself's for the"i'm glad we didn't get him" NYY fans.

 

Yankees win with 45 million bid: "EVIL EMPIRE BASEBALL DESTROY WAHHH *TEAR* YANKEES SUCK BUY PLAYERS"

 

Red Sox win with 45 million bid: "omgz hax0r leet Boston FO made excellent decision to gobble up Matz before the Evil empire spent all their money on him."

 

By the way, I'm a member on NYYfans and I haven't seen a single poster claiming that they are glad we didn't get him. If anything, most people are upset but realize a 45 million bid is ridiculous so they don't really care. But continue spreading lies, it's funny.

[riverside sluggers]

Im just taking this with a grain of salt but cant help thinking about an opening day rotation of Schilling, Beckett, Matsuzaka, Papelbon & Wakefield

 

Since this fee doesnt factor into the salary cap, Theo is looking like he's going to be a no holds barred GM this offseason. Names like Julio Lugo, Justin Speier (top setup man on market), incentive deal toward Eric Gagne, Akinori Iwaumura, even a try at J.D. Drew have been mentioned by Boston's Sean MacAdams

[BoSox21]

I think I just s*** my pants hearing the news on ESPN Radio just now, I'm so friggin' happy

[Beckett95]

this is the Theo if been waiting to see again. Making bold moves like this one.

 

Theo has some cajones to bid $40+ million for Matsuzaka.

 

If True, this is friggen AWESOME

[ORS]

I'll go on record and say that I wanted him, and I thought the yankees had a good shot at him because spending money is what they do best. Sucks that they didn't get him, and it sucks even more because the Sox were the ones that did. Oh well, time to look at Barry Zito..

 

BTW Sox fans, if this is true, do you see this as the only big name the Sox sign this year? Or will the spending continue all offseason?

Whatever the bid is, I don't think it will go on the bottom line in regards to payroll. I imagine it will be viewed as an investment fee to a new market. I know merchandising and broadcast rights for the games get split 30 ways in the general MLB revenues. But there's money to make via RSN in Japan, corporate sponsorships at Fenway, advertising at Fenway, and post-game NESN broadcasts.

 

The only thing I think that will dig into the payroll budget will be his signing salary. The cap just went from ~$135M to ~$148M. Add to that $13M the salary of Foulke ($7.5M), Trot (~$8M), Loretta ($3M), Seanez ($4M), Gonzo ($3M), & Wells ($5M) - let me know who I'm forgetting - and they will be ~$45M under the cap before signing him. Their big thing is being under the LT threshold, but that will leave some money for acquisitions.

[Beckett95]

If this is true,

is there any possibility that we could lock Matsuzaka up for 6 years? Screw Boras and his little 3 year contracts.

[rician blast]

Is 45 million to much?

 

also if he doesn't sign a contract with us we get the money back correct.

 

Yes if they fail to reach an agreement with the player, the negotiating rights fee is returned.

 

There was some speculation that if a team could land him for less than $30m they might actually trade him...this would likely be done by a team which had a solid pitching corps already...the Red Sox don't exactly fit that description but ya never know if they might try and move him...to an NL team.