September 16th @ New York

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

How about for getting the facts straight for once dumbass. The Sox were eeked at the sight of owing $27 million in taxes from taking on Abreu's contract. That money can be better used on building a better pitching staff this offseason.

 

In all fairness to McCarver hes not the only person I have heard say that. I've heard a couple of Boston writers say the samething.

[a700hitter]

How about for getting the facts straight for once dumbass. The Sox were eeked at the sight of owing $27 million in taxes from taking on Abreu's contract. That money can be better used on building a better pitching staff this offseason.

They didn't have to keep him for next year. They could've traded him in the offseason. If they did, it wouldn't have cost $27 million. I would hope that Red Sox management was smart enough to realize that. The Red Sox got aced out of the deal because the Yankees made a take it or leave it offer to take all of his salary. The Red Sox were never able to get back to the table.

[riverside sluggers]

In all fairness to McCarver hes not the only person I have heard say that. I've heard a couple of Boston writers say the samething.

 

Im also using my sources from Boston writers

 

IMO thats a weak excuse since everyone knew coming into this season, it was the last for Trot as a starter at least with the Sox. Also at the time of the deadline, he was ranked as one of the worst hitters in the month of July that included just 1 extra base hit

[riverside sluggers]

They didn't have to keep him for next year. They could've traded him in the offseason. If they did' date=' it wouldn't have cost $27 million. I would hope that Red Sox management was smart enough to realize that. The Red Sox got aced out of the deal because the Yankees made a take it or leave it offer to take all of his salary. The Red Sox were never able to get back to the table.[/quote']

 

So a team would be willing to deal with the Sox, fully knowing they will have to take on that big ammount (or most) of taxes in the offseason?

[ORS]

I think Nuke would do himself a lot of good by changing his grip on his curve ever so slightly. It has a lot of bite, and he frequently throws it about 58'. With his arm speed, a grip that results in a little less break will make it a more enticing swing-and-miss pitch. It might also help with the blister issue too.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

God this game has been torture. Both pitchers are not long for this game.

[jsinger121]

They didn't have to keep him for next year. They could've traded him in the offseason. If they did' date=' it wouldn't have cost $27 million. I would hope that Red Sox management was smart enough to realize that. The Red Sox got aced out of the deal because the Yankees made a take it or leave it offer to take all of his salary. The Red Sox were never able to get back to the table.[/quote']

 

Do you realize how much the sox would have had to eat if they would have traded him?

[a700hitter]

So a team would be willing to deal with the Sox' date=' fully knowing they will have to take on that big ammount (or most) of taxes in the offseason?[/quote']Sox might have had to eat some of his salary, but what other team is close to going over the luxury cap amount?

[riverside sluggers]

Ok lets say, the Sox did pick up Abreu

 

The Sox would still be in place to miss the playoffs, behind a tattered pitching staff. The Sox would then become desperate to trade Abreu in the offseason. Thus them eating a good share of the taxes, would result in less spending money you want the Sox to use

[a700hitter]

Do you realize how much the sox would have had to eat if they would have traded him?

Yes, they would have had to eat some. My point is that it wouldn't have cost them anywhere near the $27 million figure. That was a damage-control story planted in the press. And with the way Abreu is playing, they might not have had to eat that much of the $17 million. It 's only a 1 year commitment.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

After 4:

 

Beckett is at 80 pitches

 

Wang at 75 pitches

[a700hitter]

Ok lets say, the Sox did pick up Abreu

 

The Sox would still be in place to miss the playoffs, behind a tattered pitching staff. The Sox would then become desperate to trade Abreu in the offseason. Thus them eating a good share of the taxes, would result in less spending money you want the Sox to use

You are engaging in pure conjecture. None of us know how it would have turned out, but it couldn't have turned out worse for the Red Sox. That much is for sure.

[a700hitter]

Wang working around Ortiz. How often does that happen with MVP Jeter?

[riverside sluggers]

The injuries/inconsistent efforts by pitching staff wouldve been greatly affected by the addition of outfielder Abreu?

[Optimist]

24 straight games with a hit for Jeter.

[a700hitter]

The injuries/inconsistent efforts by pitching staff wouldve been greatly affected by the addition of outfielder Abreu?

I don't know exactly how it would have turned out, but it couldn't have been worse for the Red Sox. Adding him to the Sox would have had the double effect of subtracting him from the Yanks. Plus, the Red Sox would have had Cory Lidle every 5 days instead of the parade of minor leaguers and garbage that was trotted out to the mound. They lost a lot of one run games. I don't know in how many Abreu would have made a difference. But he would have made a differnce in some. I don't know what difference it would have made to the bullpen if Lidle was able to go 7 a couple of times. It couldn't have hurt the pen. I don't know how many more games the Yankees would have lost without Abreu, but certainly he has had a postive effect on that team. We just don't know, but it would not have been this bad.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

After 5 innings:

 

Beckett is at 96 pitches

 

Wang is at 85 pitches

[riverside sluggers]

Mr. Double continues on pace for #50

[a700hitter]

Mr. Doubles with a lead off double.

 

Wang to exit for Villone. I hope Tito counters with Youk.

[a700hitter]

Of course Tito leaves in the hacker Hinske

[Anuj09]

i love how you refer to Jeter as MVP Jeter 700 i cant f***in stop laughin :thumbsup:

 

Murphy has impressed me

[a700hitter]

Murphy has impressed me

I saw him in ST, and he seemed to have decent pop with the bat. I'd like to see him do well.

[ORS]

Hamels is 6 outs away from the 2nd no-no of the year. Unbelievable year for Rookie pitchers. One of the best classes in a long time.

 

EDIT: 9 outs away.

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

Hamels is 6 outs away from the 2nd no-no of the year. Unbelievable year for Rookie pitchers. One of the best classes in a long time.

 

EDIT: 9 outs away.

 

Agreed, Out with the old guys like Randy Johnson(Next year), Roger Clemens, Greg Maddux, Curt Schilling (next year) and in with the new guys like Liriano, Matt Cain, Justin Verlander, etc.

[riverside sluggers]

oh loretta with an off-balance throw

[riverside sluggers]

Agreed' date=' Out with the old guys like Randy Johnson(Next year), Roger Clemens, Greg Maddux, Curt Schilling (next year) and in with the new guys like Liriano, Matt Cain, Justin Verlander, etc.[/quote']

 

I look forward also to Papelbon making a statement as part of the rotation

 

Hughes should be making his debut sometime next year, right? My friend thought up a cool scenario of his major league debut... Rubber game of a 3 game series at Yankee Stadium, Hughes vs Papelbon

 

EDIT: Personally great to see Beckett continuing to deliver good starts, consistent fashion

 

Last 5 starts

32 innings, 26 Hits, 12 Runs, 2 HRs, 14 Walks, 17 Ks

[Anuj09]

excellent start by Beckett. hes turned it around to some extent

[AlexanderTheGreat13]

I look forward also to Papelbon making a statement as part of the rotation

 

Highes should be making his debut sometime next year, right? My friend thought up a cool scenario of his major league debut... Rubber game of a 3 game series at Yankee Stadium, Hughes vs Papelbon

 

Ha yeah I forgot about Paplebon. I'm sure over the next 10 years we will be seeing that Hughes-Paplebon matchup many times. Hopefully Lester makes a speedy recovery and he joins that group as well.

[a700hitter]

Ortiz being worked around again. He has a perfect day so far. Two doubles and two walks.

[Anuj09]

Mussina isnt a free agent after this season is he ?