August 6th @ Tampa Bay

[MC Hammer]

Keep sticking your head in the sand.

Keep crying like a bitch. I feel so bad for anyone that has to be around you on a regular basis. All you do is cry, and bitch.

[a700hitter]

You can't really pick and choose the arguments you make, because I don't think Pedro will be worth his deal in two years, either. Lest we forget he got shut down early last year due to injury and has a .700 winning percentage in the National League. IMO, Pedro and Damon were let go for the same reasons, so if Pedro was a mistake Damon was, too.

 

 

I happen to agree with what the FO decided to do in those instances, but then again that's neither here nor there. Also, I'd like to know how many of Damon's homeruns are Yankee Stadium specials. Keep in mind that Fenway isn't the best HR park for lefties.

The guy wins period. A .700 winning % is unbelievable whether it is in the AL or NL. Check out how many guys have done it for the course of their careers. It's a real short list. As for Damon hitting in Fenway, 6 of his HRs have been on the road. Two of his Yankee stadium HRs were upper deck jobs last week. He's also wrapped a few right down the line. Maybe he'd have one or two less for the red Sox. He'd also have more wall ball doubles and a higher average as well as more runs scored in front of Manny and Ortiz.

[BoSox21]

You can't really pick and choose the arguments you make, because I don't think Pedro will be worth his deal in two years, either. Lest we forget he got shut down early last year due to injury and has a .700 winning percentage in the National League. IMO, Pedro and Damon were let go for the same reasons, so if Pedro was a mistake Damon was, too.

 

 

I happen to agree with what the FO decided to do in those instances, but then again that's neither here nor there. Also, I'd like to know how many of Damon's homeruns are Yankee Stadium specials. Keep in mind that Fenway isn't the best HR park for lefties.

 

I'm not picking and choosing arguments. The pitching staff has been the major problem with this team for several years, not the offense which is why I say letting Pedro walk was a mistake but letting Damon walk wasn't. Last season, the rotation was absolutely pathetic, this season, it's been in shambles aside from Schilling and the emergence of Lester.

 

Run production has been a luxury we've had for several years now. Just look at this year, we let Damon go and replace him with Coco and we're still near the top of the league in runs. And replacing Damon with Coco didn't hinder the defense either.

 

So because of that, a long-term deal for Pedro would've been a lot easier to swallow than a long-term deal for Damon

[jacksonianmarch]

As for the Beckett trade, take a look at what his replacement is doing. Anibal Sanchez is really playing well in FLA. The Beckett deal would be a total f*** up for this yr if Lowell wasn't worth his weight in gold right now.

[a700hitter]

Keep crying like a bitch. I feel so bad for anyone that has to be around you on a regular basis. All you do is cry, and bitch.

Name-calling now. Okay, well you are an *******. That solves a lot.

[MC Hammer]

The guy wins period. A .700 winning % is unbelievable whether it is in the AL or NL. Check out how many guys have done it for the course of their careers. It's a real short list. As for Damon hitting in Fenway, 6 of his HRs have been on the road. Two of his Yankee stadium HRs were upper deck jobs last week. He's also wrapped a few right down the line. Maybe he'd have one or two less for the red Sox. He'd also have more wall ball doubles and a higher average as well as more runs scored in front of Manny and Ortiz.

If Pedro was still pitching in the AL he wouldn't have number half as good as he does now. If you haven't noticed he changed his pitching style. Not moving to the NL would mean still be a fire baller which would mean a shorter and worse career. It was a better move for Petey and the Sox, but please cry a little more and tell me how I'm wrong.

[jacksonianmarch]

I'm not picking and choosing arguments. The pitching staff has been the major problem with this team for several years, not the offense which is why I say letting Pedro walk was a mistake but letting Damon walk wasn't. Last season, the rotation was absolutely pathetic, this season, it's been in shambles aside from Schilling and the emergence of Lester.

 

Run production has been a luxury we've had for several years now. Just look at this year, we let Damon go and replace him with Coco and we're still near the top of the league in runs. And replacing Damon with Coco didn't hinder the defense either.

 

So because of that, a long-term deal for Pedro would've been a lot easier to swallow than a long-term deal for Damon

 

good point on Pedro. He shoud have been kept.

[MC Hammer]

Name-calling now. Okay, well you are an *******. That solves a lot.

I've been calling you a bitch for a week plus now. Where have you been?

 

I apologize for my honesty, but you cry more than my infant niece.

[jacksonianmarch]

If Pedro was still pitching in the AL he wouldn't have number half as good as he does now. If you haven't noticed he changed his pitching style. Not moving to the NL would mean still be a fire baller which would mean a shorter and worse career. It was a better move for Petey and the Sox, but please cry a little more and tell me how I'm wrong.

 

Pitching is pitching. Pedro did something that Mike Mussina did as well, adjust to age. He may not be as dominant, but Pedro would still be a .600-.700 pitcher in the ALE right now. If you want to make a case based on durability, then you will have no arguement from me. If you want to say he won't be any good, I'll argue.

[a700hitter]

Remember we're not the Yankees ... we do want to stay under the Luxury Tax.

 

Stop crying about the past and live in the now.

They beat us in the past. They are beating us in the present, and you are jkidding yourself ifmyou don't think it will continue. My point is that we should have been kicking their asses last year and this year. The foundation was their and the team learned how to win and beat the Yankees, and the smarty pants FO let it slip away. Just when we had turned the corner, the FO decided to take steps backwards.

 

Edit: I really don't give a swhit if they pay some luxury tax.

[TheKilo]

If I had to choose, I would have kept Pedro over Damon.

 

Whatever, I'm really tired of having this argument for the 500th time. The Sox have two winnable series coming up. I think 5-1 over the next six will make people feel a lot better about things.

[MC Hammer]

Pitching is pitching. Pedro did something that Mike Mussina did as well, adjust to age. He may not be as dominant, but Pedro would still be a .600-.700 pitcher in the ALE right now. If you want to make a case based on durability, then you will have no arguement from me. If you want to say he won't be any good, I'll argue.

Pitching isn't pitching. If you don't think theres a HUGE difference between AL and NL lineups you must not watch baseball.

 

One of, and the most obvious, of those differences is HUGE! Don't you think getting to face a pitcher every time you go through the order helps?

[jacksonianmarch]

I don't understand why fans are so worried about luxury tax. It isnt our money that they are spending. All that should matter is what is done on the field.

[CrespoBlows]

I don't understand why fans are so worried about luxury tax. It isnt our money that they are spending. All that should matter is what is done on the field.

 

Tickets you buy = your money.

[YanksHater213]

f***ing hell. iMojo sucks.

[BoSox21]

My argument for keeping Pedro is more for what coulda been last season. If Pedro is in the Sox uniform today, the Beckett/Lowell deal never would've been made and I don't know if Pedro would've had better than Beckett's 13-6 record right now anyway. Youk would probably be the 3rd baseman, Hanley would probably be at short and god knows who would be playing 1st.

[jacksonianmarch]

Pitching isn't pitching. If you don't think theres a HUGE difference between AL and NL lineups you must not watch baseball.

 

One of, and the most obvious, of those differences is HUGE! Don't you think getting to face a pitcher every time you go through the order helps?

 

I agree ther is a discripancy. But to say that he wont be efective in the AL because he shanged his pitching style is wrong. Listen, I know you are angry today, but keep your scenses (like I made about Pedroia earlier btw). Pedro mad the diference between his off speed stuff and his fastball much larger so he could still get life out of his fastball, Moose did the same thing and he is dominating.Pedro would still be winning in my op, but we will never know.

[MC Hammer]

They beat us in the past. They are beating us in the present, and you are jkidding yourself ifmyou don't think it will continue. My point is that we should have been kicking their asses last year and this year. The foundation was their and the team learned how to win and beat the Yankees, and the smarty pants FO let it slip away. Just when we had turned the corner, the FO decided to take steps backwards.

 

Edit: I really don't give a swhit if they pay some luxury tax.

EXACTLY! BUT ITS NOT YOUR MONEY! IT'S THEIR MONEY, AND THEIR DECISION!

 

So please stop crying about it. Our FO does not want to be lumped in with the Yankees as the teams ruining baseball, and they do not want to pay extra money just to appease a cry baby fan such as yourself.

 

We've made the right moves, and soon enough when we're a young strong team, and the yankees are an old weak team ... you'll be eating your words. Or maybe not ... to me it sounds like you'd rather win another WS this year and forget about the future all together. Then again I don't really know what you're thinking, cause you were in love with this team before July. Then we start slumping and you want to trade the entire roster, and everyone on the farm.

 

 

As far as the Pedro/Damon thing goes. LET IT GO! ITS THE PAST! ITS OVER!

[jacksonianmarch]

My argument for keeping Pedro is more for what coulda been last season. If Pedro is in the Sox uniform today, the Beckett/Lowell deal never would've been made and I don't know if Pedro would've had better than Beckett's 13-6 record right now anyway. Youk would probably be the 3rd baseman, Hanley would probably be at short and god knows who would be playing 1st.

 

Beckett has been the recipent of a ton of run suport. He has a 5era. Pedro could have a 4 or less era in his sleep. Pedro wins the game vs Cleveland when Shoochoomooshoo hit the grand slam.

[MC Hammer]

Beckett has been the recipent of a ton of run suport. He has a 5era. Pedro could have a 4 or less era in his sleep. Pedro wins the game vs Cleveland when Shoochoomooshoo hit the grand slam.

Pedro could also be making about 8 mill more.

[BoSox21]

every team's fanbase (except the Yankees) needs to realize their team operates under a budget, it just happens that the Sox have a bigger budget than any other team that operates under a budget

[TheKilo]

My argument for keeping Pedro is more for what coulda been last season. If Pedro is in the Sox uniform today, the Beckett/Lowell deal never would've been made and I don't know if Pedro would've had better than Beckett's 13-6 record right now anyway. Youk would probably be the 3rd baseman, Hanley would probably be at short and god knows who would be playing 1st.

 

 

Pedro wasn't going to make a difference last season. He wasn't pitching in September.

[jacksonianmarch]

MC, after waiting forever to see a champonship, would you rather win one today and have 4 yr of medocrity or be good but not great for the next 5 years. At least you get another ring if you go for the gold now. Nobody remembers who finishes second, nobody rembers who gets knocked out in the first round of the playoffs. History only remembers the champs and the sox have 1 for their last 87 years. I'd think they wuld want anoter.

[BoSox21]

Beckett has been the recipent of a ton of run suport. He has a 5era. Pedro could have a 4 or less era in his sleep. Pedro wins the game vs Cleveland when Shoochoomooshoo hit the grand slam.

 

if I remember right, Pedro wasn't getting great run support in '04. The lineup knows Nuke is gonna give up bombs, it gives them a different mindset. My point is, if you replace Pedro with Beckett right now, the record would be similar, Pedro's ERA would be at least a run lower and run support would be lower as well.

[CrespoBlows]

Easy boys. Football starts in two hours.

[MC Hammer]

every team's fanbase (except the Yankees) needs to realize their team operates under a budget, it just happens that the Sox have a bigger budget than any other team that operates under a budget

Well see there are a lot of stupid fans who think owners are only alive to throw every cent they have at their team.

[jacksonianmarch]

Pedro could also be making about 8 mill more.

 

true, but by dumping Pedro, the sox also added Clement, there's your 8 mil right there.

[a700hitter]

I've been calling you a bitch for a week plus now. Where have you been?

 

I apologize for my honesty, but you cry more than my infant niece.

Being critical is not crying. I've maintained my position about what the FO should have done since day one. I really can't help it if I turn out to be right. That's the honest truth. I hope you cockeyed optimists are right and this team can win, but you all have the little copout argument that we are "retooling" if they don't win. Are we going for the playoffs or are we retooling? man-up and tell me. Does the FO know if it is playing to win or not? You can't have it both ways, not with this team that has more FO created holes than swiss cheese. I am also opposed to this notion of retooling with a $120-130 million payroll and the vast financial resource of the Red Sox. They should be playing to win every year, and I give them no excuses when they don't You want to be a FO toady. That's fine. I'll continue to criticize the management, but I will not throw the winners and stars on the team under the bus as so many of you toadies are ready to do and replace them with unproven minor leaguers as part of a youth movement. Young teams lose. Veteran teams with a few young players win.

[jacksonianmarch]

Well see there are a lot of stupid fans who think owners are only alive to throw every cent they have at their team.

 

I undrstand the KC's of the world. But the sox are sold out every night, they have fans all across the world, let alone the US and their pockets are overflowing. Their popularity has tripled since the curse ended. If they lapse back into medicority, they will lose that income. I would think from a business standpoint, it is better to spend an extra 50 to make an extra 50 and increase popularity than to stand pat.

[a700hitter]

Well see there are a lot of stupid fans who think owners are only alive to throw every cent they have at their team.

Teams pay far less thanthe Red Sox and put out better teams, eg. the Cardinals. The Mets have been turned around by Minaya, and their payroll is 19 million less.