Sox Acquire Jason Johnson from Indians for cash considerations

[mtbykr]

We won't part with the young players that it would take to land smoltz! I want to win this year, but not at the expense of our future---that and getting Smoltz assures us of only one thing---an old staff!

[Mr Crunchy]

everyone who is considering playing in october will move on smoltz excpet perhaps the reds or a's if theyre in the hunt.

y'all make 38 sound old

look at the best pitchers in the game and list their ages,few are under 30

smoltz age isnt an issue at all in my opinion

he's had a rubber arm before and after his surgery and if you believe the radar guns hes still throwing a 90mph slider which would look good anywhere

[TheKilo]

everyone who is considering playing in october will move on smoltz excpet perhaps the reds or a's if theyre in the hunt.

y'all make 38 sound old

look at the best pitchers in the game and list their ages,few are under 30

smoltz age isnt an issue at all in my opinion

he's had a rubber arm before and after his surgery and if you believe the radar guns hes still throwing a 90mph slider which would look good anywhere

 

 

So who are the Yankees going to trade for Smoltz? Apparently there's no way the Red Sox can rip them off because of their genius GM, so what makes you think the Yankees will?

[26 to 6]

I must be honest, this is a good move for the Sox. Another good job by Theo Epstein, in my opinion, considering he gave up nothing and the fact that Jason Johnson, when atop his game can be a pretty damn good pitcher. This could potentially be HUGE for the Sox. When I heard about this I just sighed because of the possibilities of having another good, veteran arm on that pitching staff. I think he is best suited as a starter, but might do a decent job in relief. We'll soon see, though.

[26 to 6]

So who are the Yankees going to trade for Smoltz? Apparently there's no way the Red Sox can rip them off because of their genius GM, so what makes you think the Yankees will?

Not that i'm pushing for Cashman to go out and get Smolts, because i'm not (though I wouldnt mind having him); i'm sure he could pull something off. I dont know what, but Cashman is a very good GM who is capable of making some big moves.

[Mr Crunchy]

if he was a genious gm he wouldve won more than 1 w/s after 14 straight division titles

we dont have to rip atlanta off

they dont draw s***,their fan base is disinterested and theyre primed to rebuild

give them a young pitcher and a prospect and give smoltz an extension thru 08 to make everyone happy....smoltz will decide where he goes in the end

and dont let the yanks fool you

theyve got guys who are available

they didnt win all those championships standing still in july and we didnt win ours in 04 without didling with the ""untouchables"" such as nomar and a young shea hillebrand the year before

sometimes it works sometimes it dont

we traded schill and brady anderson for mike boddiker and won the al east in 88 and 90

anderson hit 50 hrs 1 year and schill won 175 games pitching before he returned

in 95 we traded cant miss pitching prospect frankie rodriguez for rick aguilera

the twins closer

rick closed out 21/22 games before he gave up the game 1 tater to of all people

tony pena?? to lose game 1 and get swept

sometimes it works sometimes it dont

 

in 1988 dan duquette of the tigers traded smoltz to atlanta for doyle alexander

alexander went 9-1 for detroit...9-1 from 7-31 to 9-30

but boston beat them for the east championship and duquette looks like a fool for that move

in montreal dan duquette made another bold move aquiring flame throwing lefty mark langston from seattle,a guy the boston people dreamed about getting

for a tall guy who had control problems...randy whatshisname

who had an era of 6.67 in montreal when he was dealt out of canada and the rest is history

 

bottom line

we need to get better here if we want to win it all

thats my goal,winning it all,nothing else will suffice as far as im concerned

 

thank you for allowing me to rant

its good to clear out the cobwebs

[TheKilo]

Not that i'm pushing for Cashman to go out and get Smolts, because i'm not (though I wouldnt mind having him); i'm sure he could pull something off. I dont know what, but Cashman is a very good GM who is capable of making some big moves.

 

 

I understand that Cashman is a decent GM, but no one has told me who he could make these supposed moves with.

[Mr Crunchy]

he could move cabrerra with hughes and perhaps someone else?

this is hypothetical so dont call me out on this

im really not well versed who theyve got in trenton or columbus quite frankly

i do know out of nowhere they pulled wang cano cabrerra and phillips and this kid reese and the beane etal...

they get no respect for their farm but the reality is theyve had to depend on these guys to make it happen

theyve got people to move,no doubt and they may go overboard in their quest as they usually do

[TheKilo]

he could move cabrerra with hughes and perhaps someone else?

this is hypothetical so dont call me out on this

im really not well versed who theyve got in trenton or columbus quite frankly

i do know out of nowhere they pulled wang cano cabrerra and phillips and this kid reese and the beane etal...

they get no respect for their farm but the reality is theyve had to depend on these guys to make it happen

theyve got people to move,no doubt and they may go overboard in their quest as they usually do

 

 

I think it'd take some combo of Wang/Cano?Cabrera/Hughes to get it done.

 

But what do I know.

[Mr Crunchy]

i wouldnt either my man

they may just dump him for salary

they may make him their pitching coach and keep him on forever

this is what makes these places fun.

 

'i would think the yanks keep wang under all conditions,cano perhaps too

but im sitting here in a fuking cubicle writing financial statements

not where i belongin the fens making deals to make us better

[Goalstopper]

you can't have enough pitchers. i like the trade/accusation.

[Mr Crunchy]

2 guys who are going tonite will have a say on who wins what

 

we got clemens going against minny

we got burnett back against atlanta

 

i suspect both will be on short leashes and i also believe that raja will finish this season somewhere outside houston because theyre really not in it at this point

who knows

i hope they both get the s*** pounded out of them

[Cityofchampions33]

The acquisition of Jason Johnson is a worthwhile gamble of almost $1 million for Boston. He's a veteran pitcher with vast experience pitching in the American League, in the AL East, and he generates a ton of ground balls with his sinking fastball; maybe his 2.85 ratio of groundballs to flyballs will translate better with the Red Sox, who have a better infield defense than Cleveland does this year.

But there is a lot of potential downside to this, as well. Left-handed hitters against Johnson this year: a .403 batting average, .633 slugging average, a reflection of the fact that he doesn't have a lot of secondary stuff besides that sinker. And some of the scouts and talent evaluators I spoke with yesterday have serious doubts about whether he'll succeed for the Red Sox.

 

"Very soft," said one executive. "Not a good fit there [in Boston]."

-Buster Olney

 

couldn't get rest of srticle, but I thought this was a little interesting