Suggestions For Theo On Improving The Team In June And July

[Mr Crunchy]

Theo won't overpay for people (besides Clement haha) and Clemens getting $15 million for a half year is overpaying, regardless of the kind of numbers he puts up.

 

didnt they pay renteria what amounted to 19,000,000.00 last year for being the worst shortstop in the american league??

clement wont get 15M

who will pay it outside ny?

mcclain already said no to arbitration which wouldve given him around the same money for 6months of work,he aint payin it for 4 months i assure you.

ny may pay it and if they do ??

i for 1 will be very surprised

if clemens has shown us 1 thing its that he cant pitch in october when its all on the line

[Papelbon58]

my take is that Meche is not a good option, Lohse got sent to AAA he sucked so bad, and we aren't going to get that guy from anywhere else unless we give up a very good prospect. I would like to try and see if any of our relievers could start, or bring up Lester

[Papelbon58]

you know, this may sound a bit out there, but Van Buren, who just came up, was AAA player of the year in the Cubs organization last year. He set a club record with Iowa with 25 saves in a season. He looked good in that first outing. Maybe we could experiment with him at closer to get Paps into the rotation. I love him at closer, but he could be our best option for the rotation.

So far with the Pawsox, he has 6 saves in 11 outings. 15.1 innings with 17 Ks and a 1.17 ERA

[seabeachfred]

Jsing, I now forgive you for your nasty post to me. Right on buddy, we DO NOT TRADE Dustin Pedroia for Meche, or for anyone unless it is a real front line pitcher. I see Pedroia as a future star with the Red Sox, a solid hitter, good fielder, speedy baserunner, and a heart of steel. We do not trade a player like that.

[RoyNHSox]

you know, this may sound a bit out there, but Van Buren, who just came up, was AAA player of the year in the Cubs organization last year. He set a club record with Iowa with 25 saves in a season. He looked good in that first outing. Maybe we could experiment with him at closer to get Paps into the rotation. I love him at closer, but he could be our best option for the rotation.

 

So far with the Pawsox, he has 6 saves in 11 outings. 15.1 innings with 17 Ks and a 1.17 ERA

 

 

 

Isn’t it almost too late to be experimenting, especially with something (Paps) that’s working flawlessly?

[Papelbon58]

Isn’t it almost too late to be experimenting, especially with something (Paps) that’s working flawlessly?

Well, I'm not saying it is absolutely necessary, but the bottom of the rotation is definitely not working flawlessly, and if this solidifies that while not hurting the pen too much, why not?

[seabeachfred]

Riverside, we are all scratching our heads about this rumored trade. Of course, on the way home from the golf course a little while ago I heard on the radio that Clemens has decided to stay an Astro, so that avenue is now closed to us, and we still need a starter and a middle reliever. Theo knows he has to act unless Alvarez steps up, Wells recovers fast and Clement kicks himself in the ass and decides to pitch like he's capable of.

[seabeachfred]

Papelbon, go out there as far as you want because we're all in this together. We need answers to our problems, but let me try and tackle your suggestion. If what you think is possible, here is what we do. We get into a game where we have a five run lead in the ninth inning and give Van Buren a chance to end the game. If he succeeds in not causing a enemy uprising we try again, but we don't make such a commitment unless were are sure he could handle it because right now Papelbon is about as good as there is in baseball. You don't want to try as weaken an area of strength in order to possibly strengthen an area that is a little weak right now. If only Clement, Wells and Alvarez could do the job for us we wouldn't be in this fix right now.

[RoyNHSox]

Isn’t it almost too late to be experimenting, especially with something (Paps) that’s working flawlessly?

Well, I'm not saying it is absolutely necessary, but the bottom of the rotation is definitely not working flawlessly, and if this solidifies that while not hurting the pen too much, why not?

 

But by moving Paps out now you're definitely weakening the pen. And like you said, the end of the bullpen is already unstable. Why make it worse?

 

Edit: for some reason the 'quote' feature is f***ed up...

[Papelbon58]

Papelbon, go out there as far as you want because we're all in this together. We need answers to our problems, but let me try and tackle your suggestion. If what you think is possible, here is what we do. We get into a game where we have a five run lead in the ninth inning and give Van Buren a chance to end the game. If he succeeds in not causing a enemy uprising we try again, but we don't make such a commitment unless were are sure he could handle it because right now Papelbon is about as good as there is in baseball. You don't want to try as weaken an area of strength in order to possibly strengthen an area that is a little weak right now. If only Clement, Wells and Alvarez could do the job for us we wouldn't be in this fix right now.

THat is what i am trying to say. I think Van Buren has the ability to be a closer and that is what he is bred to do, I think it could help our rotation tremendously, much more than it might weaken the pen

[TheRivernator]

Lohse and Meche are two guys with great arms, stellar stuff and the potential for great location. They just get tanked every time they take the mound. Could be they tip their pitches, could be their lack of consistency, whatever. Fact is, they are worth a shot and cannot be worse than lenny or clement at this point...

[The Monster is my Mom]

A pitcher that is capable of starting (ie Papelbon) is more valuable in the starting rotation than in the bullpen. We have a 3 man rotation right now, and desperately need at least one more good starter in there.

[TheRivernator]

A pitcher that is capable of starting (ie Papelbon) is more valuable in the starting rotation than in the bullpen. We have a 3 man rotation right now, and desperately need at least one more good starter in there.

 

BUT, lets say Papelbon comes in and gives you a 4 era as a starter, which is a good thing. He may give you 10 wins in 20 GS, but as a closer he can secure 50 wins in 55 chances or something. Timlin, Seanez, Hansen, etc wont do that...

[seabeachfred]

Pap, maybe that is the way we will go if all else fails. We have this guy Pauley pitching tomorrow. If he does a good job we might have caught lightining in a bottle and he could help save the day. He is supposed to be highly rated but not as well publicized as Lester is. He is also supposed to be farther along. We need a win tomorrow.

[seabeachfred]

Yankeeman, they might be worth a risk as you say but not if we have to give up some of our top prospects for them. They haven't exactly torn up the league with their success and we could make trades for them as long as it doesn't cost us an arm and a leg.

[pats55sox45]

id rather have odalis perez than kyle lohse or gil meche

[seabeachfred]

I don't know if I said on this site or another Red Sox board but Odalis Perez would be a big improvement over what we have. The Dodgers have been trying to get rid of him for the past three weeks since he has worn out his welcome mat there. If, however, we do not act, he will be put back into their rotation because Jay Seo has sucked the last few outings. Perez has the ability to beat his team's biggest opponent on their home field; he is lights out in San Francisco and I think that is the kind of guy we need. You put him with fellow Dominicans Manny and Papi and a lot of them will rub off on him, but we have to act now. Within two weeks he will be off the market, mark my words.

[seabeachfred]

I don't know if I said on this site or another Red Sox board but Odalis Perez would be a big improvement over what we have. The Dodgers have been trying to get rid of him for the past three weeks since he has worn out his welcome mat there. If, however, we do not act, he will be put back into their rotation because Jay Seo has sucked the last few outings. Perez has the ability to beat his team's biggest opponent on their home field; he is lights out in San Francisco and I think that is the kind of guy we need. You put him with fellow Dominicans Manny and Papi and a lot of them will rub off on him, but we have to act now. Within two weeks he will be off the market, mark my words.

[MANNYHOF24]

I would take a shot at O-Perez, I mean he cant be worse than Clement, and If Wells gets healthy, we would have a pretty nasty rotation.

[MC Hammer]

I'd like to get Livan Hernandez. The Nats are going to clean house this year, and I think we can get him on the cheap. He's got playoff experience, and he's not too old at 31.

[jsinger121]

I'd like to get Livan Hernandez. The Nats are going to clean house this year, and I think we can get him on the cheap. He's got playoff experience, and he's not too old at 31.

 

31 is his age he states. hes from cuba making him a few years older than he says he is.

[MC Hammer]

31 is his age he states. hes from cuba making him a few years older than he says he is.

I can't say I really gave that a lot of thought. There really aren't a lot of pitchers that we could realistically get right now, and I think he's one of the few we could.

[jsinger121]

I can't say I really gave that a lot of thought. There really aren't a lot of pitchers that we could realistically get right now, and I think he's one of the few we could.

 

I would still take him but hes much older than he says he is.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

I would still take him but hes much older than he says he is.

 

The amount of pitches he would throw in a game last season makes him much older as well....at least his arm that is.

 

We have showcased a few young arms this season....maybe they would be interested.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

I don't know if news made it to all of your respective cities yet...but I actually just signed a deal to be the Sox 5th starter. It's a pro-rated deal...and I won't travel with the team when I'm not starting in that particular series. Hey, can't be worse than Clement, right?

[SuperManny]

I would still take him but hes much older than he says he is.

 

I think Livan would be the best option right now as Hudson seems like the only other legit SP on the market and he would require much more in terms of prospects I would assume.

[seabeachfred]

Is LIvan even available? Odalis Perez is. All I know is that we need another starter and middle reliever and we have to get them fast. BTW, anyone know why Loretta is still out of the lineup tonight? This is not going to be one of those day-by-day deals where he's out a month and we have to go with the hitless wonder combo of Gonzo and Cora? That my friends is a recipe for disaster.

[HeadOfSoxNation]

If you were Tito, would you split up Cora and Gonzo, and spread their outs out, or would you stack them together and just give away 2/3 of an inning every single time their spot in the lineup comes up? I think there are advantages (if you can call it that) to both...

 

Loretta has a sore foot from when he got hit the other night. He never left the game, but Francona said he figured him to be about 50% at the games conclusion. I can see this being drawn out. We need Loretta back! And he's putting up a GREAT showing from AllStar voting, too!

[Papelbon58]

i think you put Cora in the 2 spot and Gonzo 8 or 9. I prefer 8, as ive been saying and put Youk in the 9 hole to complement the top of the order

[HeadOfSoxNation]

i think you put Cora in the 2 spot and Gonzo 8 or 9. I prefer 8, as ive been saying and put Youk in the 9 hole to complement the top of the order

 

My problem with Cora at 2 is that we have two extremely good OBP guys in Crisp and Youk that can lead off...and I think putting a guy like Cora in at 2 just wastes their OBP because of all the DPs that would result. I'd say if you do this, Cora is bunting EVERY SINGLE TIME.