Nash wins MVP

[Manny Goes Boom]

You guys think Kobe in game 7 was a disappearing act? Try watching Steve Nash on defense ALL YEAR. He may have actually gotten worse at it from last year.

 

In other NBA Award news, somebody deserves to lose their Rookie of the year vote in the future after giving Deron Williams a first place vote over Chris Paul. Chris Paul did, however, get 124 out of 125 first place votes.

 

Ahh, man our whole team didn't play D. That's obvious when we allow the Clippers to shoot 59%.

 

But quick question for you...What WOULD you call Kobe in Game 7, if it's not a dissappearing act, or a chokejob? Selfish? A Team-wrecker? :dunno:

 

In my (and most people's) opinion, an MVP doesn't mail it in on his team, he tries until the horn sounds. And NO person can say Nash doesn't try.

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Ahh, man our whole team didn't play D. That's obvious when we allow the Clippers to shoot 59%.

 

But quick question for you...What WOULD you call Kobe in Game 7, if it's not a dissappearing act, or a chokejob? Selfish? A Team-wrecker? :dunno:

 

In my (and most people's) opinion, an MVP doesn't mail it in on his team, he tries until the horn sounds. And NO person can say Nash doesn't try.

 

In my experience playing and watching basketball, 90% of defense is effort, particularly when you're a guard.

 

Now, regardless of what anybody calls Kobe Bryant's game 7, it doesn't matter because the postseason is not supposed to be taken into consideration. Kobe was the most valuable player in the regular season because while Nash had another great player (Marion), Kobe was surrounded by garbage. Kobe took a team that didn't belong anywhere near the playoffs into the postseason. Defense is half the game and Kobe is one of the best defenders in the league at his position -- Nash is among the worst.

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You guys think Kobe in game 7 was a disappearing act? Try watching Steve Nash on defense ALL YEAR. He may have actually gotten worse at it from last year.

 

In other NBA Award news, somebody deserves to lose their Rookie of the year vote in the future after giving Deron Williams a first place vote over Chris Paul. Chris Paul did, however, get 124 out of 125 first place votes.

 

newsflash kobe's defense isnt what it used to be , kobe is all about scoring now

[Manny Goes Boom]

In my experience playing and watching basketball, 90% of defense is effort, particularly when you're a guard.

 

Now, regardless of what anybody calls Kobe Bryant's game 7, it doesn't matter because the postseason is not supposed to be taken into consideration. Kobe was the most valuable player in the regular season because while Nash had another great player (Marion), Kobe was surrounded by garbage. Kobe took a team that didn't belong anywhere near the playoffs into the postseason. Defense is half the game and Kobe is one of the best defenders in the league at his position -- Nash is among the worst.

 

HA! Lamar Odom would like a word with you...

 

Regardless, defense isn't 90% effort, you have to have instincts and athletic ability too. Defense is probably 50% effort, 50% athletic ability...I mean you can try all you want but if your no athlete your screwed. I agree, to a point that effort might be lacking, but Nash made our team. Regardless of what you think...

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HA! Lamar Odom would like a word with you...

 

Regardless, defense isn't 90% effort, you have to have instincts and athletic ability too. Defense is probably 50% effort, 50% athletic ability...I mean you can try all you want but if your no athlete your screwed. I agree, to a point that effort might be lacking, but Nash made our team. Regardless of what you think...

 

speaking of Lamar Odom ,if kobe wasent such a ball hogger Odom would have had a great year , Odom shot 48 percent from the floor in the regular season compare to kobe's 45 , Odom is an effective shooter however kobe never passed him the ball and thats why Odom wasent effective

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speaking of Lamar Odom ,if kobe wasent such a ball hogger Odom would have had a great year , Odom shot 48 percent from the floor in the regular season compare to kobe's 45 , Odom is an effective shooter however kobe never passed him the ball and thats why Odom wasent effective

 

Lamar Odom is an overrated player. He wouldn't be nearly as effective as he has been if the defense didn't have to double team Kobe before he even touches the ball. Inconsistency plagued Odom in the first half of the season, he got a lot better in the second half, but that's still half of a season that the Lakers went without a consistent #2. Even if I were to concede that Lamar Odom is some kind of capable player opposite of Kobe, I could throw Smush Parker, Chris Mihm, and Kwame Brown (who couldn't even perform when he was in a lineup with Jordan) at you in addition to a pathetic bench. Not one of those three would be starting on any of the other playoff teams. Lamar Odom is their second best player by a LONG SHOT -- and that's a bad thing. Their back up Center is a guy in his first year out of High School, playing against the big men in the West.

 

No matter what, take Kobe out of the Lakers line up and take Nash out of the Suns line up -- the Suns lineup, Leandro Barbosa inserted in, looks a hell of a lot more attractive than the Lakers roster in that case.

 

The case is the same as last year. In the system in which they play, and the shooters that they surround Nash with, it's not difficult to pass to a career 40+% 3 point shooter and get the assist. Hell, I'll debate last years MVP award too.

 

Last year Steve Nash Amare Stoudemire and Shawn Marion, two of the premiere players in the entire league surrounding him (plus shooters like Joe Johnson and Q-Rich) -- with all that talent, how could he have been MVP? This year, we're finding out that the guys they've inserted into their lineup this year are pretty damn capable players -- especially Raja Bell and Boris Diaw.

 

Steve Nash being MVP is a joke. He should've finished in 4th in the voting. Shame on the media for letting their personal opinion of Kobe Bryant off the court affect their voting.

 

edit: And where the hell does this ball hog crap come from? He does what he needs to do to win games given the talent surrounding him. He wasn't a ball hog when he was with Shaq, when he averaged one whole assist more per year than he did this year.

 

And Steve Nash is athletic and aware enough to put up the offensive numbers -- what gives on the defensive end? He's one of the worst at his position at something that makes up half of the game. Not very valuable to me.

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Lamar Odom is an overrated player. He wouldn't be nearly as effective as he has been if the defense didn't have to double team Kobe before he even touches the ball. Inconsistency plagued Odom in the first half of the season, he got a lot better in the second half, but that's still half of a season that the Lakers went without a consistent #2. Even if I were to concede that Lamar Odom is some kind of capable player opposite of Kobe, I could throw Smush Parker, Chris Mihm, and Kwame Brown (who couldn't even perform when he was in a lineup with Jordan) at you in addition to a pathetic bench. Not one of those three would be starting on any of the other playoff teams. Lamar Odom is their second best player by a LONG SHOT -- and that's a bad thing. Their back up Center is a guy in his first year out of High School, playing against the big men in the West.

 

No matter what, take Kobe out of the Lakers line up and take Nash out of the Suns line up -- the Suns lineup, Leandro Barbosa inserted in, looks a hell of a lot more attractive than the Lakers roster in that case.

 

The case is the same as last year. In the system in which they play, and the shooters that they surround Nash with, it's not difficult to pass to a career 40+% 3 point shooter and get the assist. Hell, I'll debate last years MVP award too.

 

Last year Steve Nash Amare Stoudemire and Shawn Marion, two of the premiere players in the entire league surrounding him (plus shooters like Joe Johnson and Q-Rich) -- with all that talent, how could he have been MVP? This year, we're finding out that the guys they've inserted into their lineup this year are pretty damn capable players -- especially Raja Bell and Boris Diaw.

 

Steve Nash being MVP is a joke. He should've finished in 4th in the voting. Shame on the media for letting their personal opinion of Kobe Bryant off the court affect their voting.

 

edit: And where the hell does this ball hog crap come from? He does what he needs to do to win games given the talent surrounding him. He wasn't a ball hog when he was with Shaq, when he averaged one whole assist more per year than he did this year.

 

And Steve Nash is athletic and aware enough to put up the offensive numbers -- what gives on the defensive end? He's one of the worst at his position at something that makes up half of the game. Not very valuable to me.

 

 

how were the suns before Nash went there?

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how were the suns before Nash went there?

 

They were awful, of course.

 

After they got off to a slow start, they gave up and traded their best player in an effort to cut payroll 30 games into that 2004 season, trading Marbury and Penny Hardaway to New York.

 

All that team had was Marion. Amare still wasn't even close to the player he'd become (though he did fair well) and a second year Leandro Barbosa was the starting point guard. They were a somewhat talent, extremely inexperienced team. Jake Voskuhl and Casey Jacobsen got large amounts of playing time on that team -- how the hell would you expect that team to do?

 

And they actually finished off the season pretty strong. Nash also wasn't the only player they brought in that offseason, they got Richardson as well.

 

edit: And actually, I should add that team, while a little bit more inexperienced, had gone to the playoffs the year before under Stephon Marbury

[See Red]

Just saw on ESPN's bottomline that Kobe Bryant was named to the NBA All-Defensive First team. Not bad for a guy who's defense has declined because he "only focus' on scoring, now".

 

This news makes Nash winning the MVP award even more of a joke.

[Manny Goes Boom]

They were awful, of course.

 

After they got off to a slow start, they gave up and traded their best player in an effort to cut payroll 30 games into that 2004 season, trading Marbury and Penny Hardaway to New York.

 

All that team had was Marion. Amare still wasn't even close to the player he'd become (though he did fair well) and a second year Leandro Barbosa was the starting point guard. They were a somewhat talent, extremely inexperienced team. Jake Voskuhl and Casey Jacobsen got large amounts of playing time on that team -- how the hell would you expect that team to do?

 

And they actually finished off the season pretty strong. Nash also wasn't the only player they brought in that offseason, they got Richardson as well.

 

edit: And actually, I should add that team, while a little bit more inexperienced, had gone to the playoffs the year before under Stephon Marbury

 

We finished awful. Weren't even CLOSE to the playoffs. Regardless, I'm done arguing this...it's pointless. When did you become such a Kobe apologist See Red?

 

EDIT: Before I stop...if you want to bring last year in too...look at what happened when Nash got hurt...we went 1-10 and Amares PPG went from around 30 to around 20, his rebound total dropped significantly. Marion's PPG dropped roughly 8 per and his rebound total went down ( not as much but down significantly). Point is without Steve Nash we don't do a thing. Everyone this year (Diaw, Barbosa, Jones, Bell) all have had great years due to Nash...believe it or not. I live here and get to see it alot and know. They wouldn't be the players they were if it weren't for Nash. PERIOD. Same goes for Amare and Shawn; although they would be still be great, they wouldn't be mentioned in the "Best players in the NBA" category. It just wouldn't be that way. Look at what YOU said See Red..."Amare wasn't the player he was yet (before Nash...)" even you know it but aren't aware of it.

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We finished awful. Weren't even CLOSE to the playoffs. Regardless, I'm done arguing this...it's pointless. When did you become such a Kobe apologist See Red?

 

I've defended Kobe for the past two years. It's not about that, it's about Kobe being more valuable to his team.

 

And they ended the season relatively well in terms of how they played in games in the last month or so of the season.

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He wasn't the player he would become because he was in his, what, second year as a pro?

[See Red]

And the argument still stands...

 

At the aspect that makes up exactly one half of the game, Kobe excels while Nash is abysmal. In fact, Kobe excels to the point where he's named one of the best defensive players in the league.

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Just saw on ESPN's bottomline that Kobe Bryant was named to the NBA All-Defensive First team. Not bad for a guy who's defense has declined because he "only focus' on scoring, now".

 

This news makes Nash winning the MVP award even more of a joke.

 

named all defensive first team ,thats a joke . if his defense was that good to begin with he would have won the MVP hands down, his defense has become overated ,he is not the defender he use to be

[See Red]

named all defensive first team ,thats a joke . if his defense was that good to begin with he would have won the MVP hands down, his defense has become overated ,he is not the defender he use to be

 

Whatever, he's still among the best defenders in the League, this honor shows that. Steve Nash winning the MVP award was a complete joke. Kobe didn't win the MVP because people don't like him as a person off the court and it's an incredible injustice.