Is boston making a good move in your opinion

[god is a redsox FAN]

Looking and reading an article on ESPN, i see that Boston only has 10 players left from the 2004 WS champs. ONLY 10 Does that seem like a good move to you??? Is picking up all these players, and dropping ours, a good move??

 

When i read a lot of your guys post, you are always talking about team chemistry, and how manny isn't really gonna have that much if he's gone, but look, only 10 of the players know each other, so with that said, is this a championship team, or is this like a Miami Heat team, and you just get a bunch of talent, and no team chemistry??

[jsinger121]

the red sox were an old team to begin with and had they kept everyone around longterm the team would have shown its age. they are making the right move going younger.

[god is a redsox FAN]

but is the chemistry gonna stop us from doing as good as we expect??

[Manny Goes Boom]

That's an interesting point but alot of the guys we had when we won the chip were advanced in age. Also we were built to win right then, and thats exactly what we did. We're now retooling and trying to integrate our farm system into the big league club and have a group that is capable of multiple runs at, and possibly winning rings and staying together as a core group for a long time. I like what we are doing, we look promising this year and even better down the road.

 

EDIT: Chemistry shouldn't be a problem seeing that we didn't bring in any clubhouse cancers (that we know of) and brought in guys who want to play and were loose in their old clubhouses.

[god is a redsox FAN]

so you think team chemistry is a non-factor?

[jsinger121]

chemistry happens throughout the year. if the team wins it is a non issue. the team has not even built its identity yet.

[god is a redsox FAN]

i know, but what if it takes time to build it, and when they do build it, it's to late... it may be hard to get a wildcard spot this year, and then we got the f***ing yankeses to worry about...

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Also, we have pieced together a few guys from the Marlins' 2003 championship squad. They will all get along, they don't have to share their jockstraps with each other but it's not like we'll have warfare in the clubhouse...

[jsinger121]

i know, but what if it takes time to build it, and when they do build it, it's to late... it may be hard to get a wildcard spot this year, and then we got the f***ing yankeses to worry about...

 

the 2004 red sox had no chemistry or identity until the end of july and then made the trade and won the series. its never too late unless its september and they are too far out

[god is a redsox FAN]

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&id=2346490

Go to that article that's where i have been reading about this, and trying to understand what they are saying

[ksushi]

Looking and reading an article on ESPN, i see that Boston only has 10 players left from the 2004 WS champs. ONLY 10 Does that seem like a good move to you??? Is picking up all these players, and dropping ours, a good move??

 

When i read a lot of your guys post, you are always talking about team chemistry, and how manny isn't really gonna have that much if he's gone, but look, only 10 of the players know each other, so with that said, is this a championship team, or is this like a Miami Heat team, and you just get a bunch of talent, and no team chemistry??

 

 

Why are you assuming that a new team is incapable of forming chemistry? Roster turnover happens. Age and time do take tolls on everyone, including the 2004 red sox. Keeping that team together is a bad move going forwards... and an expensive one. Get over it.

[Manny Goes Boom]

so you think team chemistry is a non-factor?

 

It's not a Non-factor but it's not something we, as Red Sox fans should not be worried about because of our recent history of getting along rather well.

 

And also, its not like it will directly affect performance during games like it would with basketball, so it's not on the top of the list of worries.

[Cityofchampions33]

Well, in all fairness, the nucleus and most of the supporting cast was intact into late 04 and 05. Yes, Cabrera was new but he fit in perfectly, Mientkiewicz wasn't a starter, and Robert's fit in well and also was a role-player. On the chemistry factor I believe it is a factor if you look at history. I mean the Yanks of the 1990's had been together for more than a couple of years and meshed in really well with their style of play.

However this doesn't mean that this is a bad move, because as I stated earlier this off-season this is still somewhat of a transistion period from the 04 team to submitting rookies into everyday roles. Lester, Papelbon, Beckett, Hansen, Pedroia, and eventually Ellsbury will be a very stable and solid core if they all make it up and fulfill their potential. And they all share the same style of dirtdog, ice-water in the veins type play.

[god is a redsox FAN]

Why are you assuming that a new team is incapable of forming chemistry? Roster turnover happens. Age and time do take tolls on everyone, including the 2004 red sox. Keeping that team together is a bad move going forwards... and an expensive one. Get over it.

Homie i ain't assuming nothing, im just questioning, and trying to look at it as what if...

[Cityofchampions33]

You know what? I seriously think Johnny Damon doesn't realize he's gunna receive the biggest boo in the last few years, maybe longer. He's comparing his situation to pedro's even though he didn't tell us about the Yanks final offer and never allowed us to match it. he doesn't realized that he went to the friggin Yankees when he said he wouldn't do that to Red Sox Nation. He keeps on talking about it and talking about it and talking about it, I swear I really thinks we still respect him.

[god is a redsox FAN]

Johnny Damon is an idiot, but apparently he is still tight with all the other guys that left boston as well

[KeepTheFaith1229]

I still haven't decided if I hate Damon, hate Damon but respect him, or still like Damon. My mom got me this sort of Damon plaque thing for my birthday (she bought it before he signed) and when I opened it I was like...errrr.....

 

Haha also, my buddy Steve, his uncle bought him a bunch of Damon stuff for Christmas because he wanted to make sure to get it from someone who wouldn't leave the team, and Damon signed with New York a week later. <_>

[god is a redsox FAN]

o well, but it looks like he is mending well with Yankee's already

[schillingouttheks]

Like someone already said...

 

We have 10 players from the '04 BoSox, and 3 from the '03 Marlins (Lowell, Gonzalez, Beckett). 13 total players who have won a world series in a span of 2 years. I'm liking it.

 

Besides, as long as you have good players who can get you to the post-season, you should be fine. But then, the post-season experience comes into play...and that gives us a pretty good presence in both playing experience and leadership.

[Cityofchampions33]

Like someone already said...

 

We have 10 players from the '04 BoSox, and 3 from the '03 Marlins (Lowell, Gonzalez, Beckett). 13 total players who have won a world series in a span of 2 years. I'm liking it.

 

Besides, as long as you have good players who can get you to the post-season, you should be fine. But then, the post-season experience comes into play...and that gives us a pretty good presence in both playing experience and leadership.

 

Agreed, it's not a problem for this team

[god is a redsox FAN]

but on the other thread, if we pick up soriano, that is a problem, im reading that, and we def. don't need him, we are already fine in the infield, we don't need anyone else. If he does come to boston, then i think we may have problems, players wanting playing time, that they won't get... seems like a problem to me

[Cityofchampions33]

yeah, exactly why most people dont want him here besides a few who keep on looking at his power numbers and not anything

[26 to 6]

i know, but what if it takes time to build it, and when they do build it, it's to late... it may be hard to get a wildcard spot this year, and then we got the f***ing yankeses to worry about...

Worry about us.

Fear us.

Lose to us!

 

I couldnt resist

[26 to 6]

I think this Red Sox team is going to mesh extremely well. You dont have too many big ego guys, you do however have a bunch of classy guys who want to win, and teach some of the younger players. I doubt guys like Coco and J.T. are going to have a hard time getting along with the Varitek's and Trot's of the clubhouse. I wouldnt worry about this one bit if I were a Sox fan.

[Cityofchampions33]

I think this Red Sox team is going to mesh extremely well. You dont have too many big ego guys, you do however have a bunch of classy guys who want to win, and teach some of the younger players. I doubt guys like Coco and J.T. are going to have a hard time getting along with the Varitek's and Trot's of the clubhouse. I wouldnt worry about this one bit if I were a Sox fan.

 

I agree, this is a very good clubhouse all around, no distractions besides Manny, who usually takes his cue in the off-season, or near 7/31 which won't hurt much a all. Also, they all work very hard on the field and are laid-back off it.

[BoSox21]

there were a lot of changes but any lineup with Ortiz and Manny won't have trouble scoring runs, the defense is a lot better and the entire pitching staff is no doubt a lot better.

 

yea, there's question marks, like whether Coco can handle the Damon comparisons, whether Loretta, Schilling, Foulke and Lowell can have bounce back years and whether Beckett can stay healthy but there isn't a team that doesn't have questions

[yankeessuck013]

Worry about us.

Fear us.

Lose to us!

 

I couldnt resist

 

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[Cityofchampions33]

lol, that is a very good smiley

 

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[seabeachfred]

Jay, remember that June series with the Yankees in 2004 when the players were on the steps of the dugout egging their teammates on while Nomar was sitting in the dugout with his hangdog face? The team was in the toilet then and nothing improved until that July brawl with the Yankees when Bill Mueller won it in the 9th with a homer. A week or so later the trade for Cabby and Menky was made and suddenly the chemistry was there. It was not there earlier in the season.

[mtbykr]

We won't find out how this team will really "mesh" until july/august. However you can't ignore the fact that 3 of the biggest "clubhouse" guys are now gone (JD, millar, and "the pro") and that drastically affects this teams identity. I personally would rather see Graff playing 2nd, instead of Loretta--but that's another thread!