Soriano Sets Arbitration Record

[yankeessuck013]

He beat out A.Jones' 8 million dollar award. All this for a guy w/out a position. He wants 2nd base, they have Vidro. And he says he won't switch to the OF again.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2325766

[The Monster is my Mom]

He is one of the most overrated players, and selfish, in the majors. For a guy that plays that poor of defense, and doesn't have a high OBP, he isn't worth that kind of money.

[26 to 6]

He's a marquee player. He will make that kind of money.

[26 to 6]

And its not like he got what he asked for. $10 Mil is what Washington offered. He LOST his case but still set a record.

[jsinger121]

hes a marquee name.....he is not a marquee player.

[ORS]

hes a marquee name.....he is not a marquee player.

Exactly. Marquee players win their arby hearings. He's one of the most overrated players in the game right now IMO.

[The Monster is my Mom]

hes a marquee name.....he is not a marquee player.

 

 

Exactly. Marquee players win their arby hearings. He's one of the most overrated players in the game right now IMO.

 

 

Amen my Red Sox brethern!!

[redsoxrules]

He's a marquee player. He will make that kind of money.

 

if he was a marquee player the yanks would have kept him, f*** i remember when it was playoffs time he was like bellhorn struck out all the time .hes not worth anywhere close to 8 mil. career 280 BA ,320 OBP what a player. Oh wait lets check the postseason stats

233 BA , 287 OBP . real nice in the clutch. i dont like him at all.

I dont know how he's been on the all star 4 times allready,way overated

[He Hate Me]

What you guys dont get is that he LOST his case. This is the number that the club offered.

[26 to 6]

if he was a marquee player the yanks would have kept him, f*** i remember when it was playoffs time he was like bellhorn struck out all the time .hes not worth anywhere close to 8 mil. career 280 BA ,320 OBP what a player. Oh wait lets check the postseason stats

233 BA , 287 OBP . real nice in the clutch. i dont like him at all.

I dont know how he's been on the all star 4 times allready,way overated

Hello, Alex Rodriguez is BETTER, so of coarse we are going to make that trade. DOesnt take away from who Soriano is and how good he is.

 

I mean, Nomar Garciaparra was a marquee player and you guys were willing to dumop him in favor of A-Rod, same with Manny. So your statement doesnt really hold here.

 

(But I agree with everyone else here, he is overrated in some aspects. But I also think you guys give him a bad wrap. He is the best all around offensive Second Baseman in the game, and his defense has improved somewhat since going to Texas.)

[The Monster is my Mom]

Best all-around 2B?!? Are you kidding? He can hit for power, but not average. He plays very little defense, is selfish, he can steal/has speed, doesn't walk, and can't hit when they really need him to. I remember the 2003 playoffs against the Red Sox when he couldn't get on base to save his life.

[He Hate Me]

Best all-around 2B?!? Are you kidding? He can hit for power, but not average. He plays very little defense, is selfish, he can steal/has speed, doesn't walk, and can't hit when they really need him to. I remember the 2003 playoffs against the Red Sox when he couldn't get on base to save his life.

 

cough cough, I believe he said best alla round OFFENSIVE 2B

[The Monster is my Mom]

cough cough, I believe he said best alla round OFFENSIVE 2B

 

Hack, hack......I still don't buy that. Obviously even the Nationals think Vidro is the better 2B, since they want Soriano to change positions.

 

Also, what about Polanco (300 career avg.), Marcus Giles, Chone Figgens??

[Moose]

Jeff Kent? Wait, the age factor. Never mind.

[26 to 6]

Hack, hack......I still don't buy that. Obviously even the Nationals think Vidro is the better 2B, since they want Soriano to change positions.

 

Also, what about Polanco (300 career avg.), Marcus Giles, Chone Figgens??

OFFENSIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The Nationals might think Vidro is a better DEFENSIVE 2B, which I, and everyone agrees with. But you dont seem to understand that I said Soriano was the best all around OFFENSIVE second baseman. (Meaning he can hit for power, contact, steal bases, etc.).

[jsinger121]

if he was a good contact hitter he would have a higher obp.

[ORS]

OFFENSIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The Nationals might think Vidro is a better DEFENSIVE 2B, which I, and everyone agrees with. But you dont seem to understand that I said Soriano was the best all around OFFENSIVE second baseman. (Meaning he can hit for power, contact, steal bases, etc.).

RARP is an all inclusive offensive stat that is computed from EqA. EqA uses H, TB, BB, IBB, HBP, SB, CS, AB, TPA in its computation. By RARP, Soriano was the 4th best offensive 2B last year. By EqA he was 9th among 2B that made at least 200 outs last season. Once again, he's very overrated.

 

EDIT: And he was 5th in OPS among qualified 2B.

[yankeessuck013]

LoL, I sense some frustration from 26-6.

[guapo34]

On the road last year:

 

BA: .224

OBP: .265!!!!

SLB: .374

OPS: .639

 

Thats in 326 at bats. Just awful.

 

Edit: If he stays in Washington, he's going from one of the best hitters parks to one of the worst. Why are Yankee fans defending this guy? He isn't there anymore and he seemed to always fall apart for them in the post season.

[The Monster is my Mom]

OFFENSIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

The Nationals might think Vidro is a better DEFENSIVE 2B, which I, and everyone agrees with. But you dont seem to understand that I said Soriano was the best all around OFFENSIVE second baseman. (Meaning he can hit for power, contact, steal bases, etc.).

 

 

Hey, I understand that you meant OFFENSIVE, and I have been saying (if you can get it through your skull) that I DISAGREE that he is the BEST OFFENSIVE 2B in BASEBALL!!! That is why I gave examples of other OFFENSIVE 2B that I think are better!!!!!

:thumbsup:

[The Monster is my Mom]

RARP is an all inclusive offensive stat that is computed from EqA. EqA uses H, TB, BB, IBB, HBP, SB, CS, AB, TPA in its computation. By RARP, Soriano was the 4th best offensive 2B last year. By EqA he was 9th among 2B that made at least 200 outs last season. Once again, he's very overrated.

 

EDIT: And he was 5th in OPS among qualified 2B.

 

 

Red, who were the 3 2B that were better than him?

[26 to 6]

Hey, I understand that you meant OFFENSIVE, and I have been saying (if you can get it through your skull) that I DISAGREE that he is the BEST OFFENSIVE 2B in BASEBALL!!! That is why I gave examples of other OFFENSIVE 2B that I think are better!!!!!

:thumbsup:

idk man, PLacido Palonco or Alfonso Soriano. I think i'll take Alfonso Soriano. But hey, we can differ in opinion I guess.

[ORS]

Red, who were the 3 2B that were better than him?

Roberts, Kent, Utley

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Roberts, Kent, Utley

 

Utley = The Man

[guapo34]

2b with a higher road OPS than Soriano: (I'm taking road numbers cuz he played in Arlington and was helped a ton by that ballpark.)

 

Brian Roberts

Jeff Kent

Chase Utley

Mark Ellis

Robinson Cano

Ray Durham

Luis Castillo

Todd Walker

Adam Kennedy

Jorge Cantu

Ronnie Belliard

Orlando Hudson

Craig Counsell

Marcus Giles

Tadahito Iguchi

Mark Grudzielanek

Placido Palanco

Mark Loretta

 

 

min. 225 AB's on the road.

 

source: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/batting?seasonType=2&type=reg&sort=OPS&minpa=225&split=34&season=2005&pos=2b&hand=a&league=mlb&ageMin=17&ageMax=51

[26 to 6]

Yeah, I like Utley a lot. VERY good player.

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Yeah, I like Utley a lot. VERY good player.

 

Yeah, I have the privelege of being able to watch him a lot since I live in Phillies territory, and the guy really impresses me with his bat, glove, and hustle. He is going to be something special. 30, .300 this year for Chase.

[The Monster is my Mom]

Guess that was why the Phils were willing to give up Polanco, huh?

[KeepTheFaith1229]

Guess that was why the Phils were willing to give up Polanco, huh?

 

 

Yup. There was a HUGE controversy over here that Polanco was the opening day second baseman. Now that Placido's gone, the sky's the limit for Utley...

[KeepTheFaith1229]

if he was a good contact hitter he would have a higher obp.

 

No way.