Michael or Kobe?

[MC Hammer]

Outside of Elton Brand and Corey Maggete, I can't think of any good NBA players from Duke. They might have the better college players, but UNC definetely has more NBA talent. That really has a lot more to do with coaching than anything else.

Um how bout Grant f***ing Hill? I know he's had an injury plagued career, but he's a great player when healthy. When healthy at the begining of his career people were saying he was the next Jordan. How about Carlos Boozer? Chris Duhon? Deng? Dunleavy? Battier? Let's not pretend that Duke doesn't produce talent. Look at it this way as well. How many players go to UNC for 1, or 2 years and leave? Most of the good ones huh? Well did you ever stop to think that Coach K recruits players who will make his program better and be dedicated to it, and UNC just gets the best player. I'd rather have a Coach who recruits a team than a coach who just recruits super stars.

 

BTW who cares who produces better NBA players? I couldn't care less if anyone from Duke was ever drafted in the NBA ... as long as we win.

 

Please tell me that wasn't a dig at Coach K at the end there. You realize he took Duke from a nothing program to national prominance, right? You realize he coached some of the best college basketball players ever right? Enjoy Roy who clearly has no dedication to his school or players (see: Kansas). If you like coaches who pay their players to stay in school then Roy is your guy. Me? I'll take the honest guy who only gets/keeps players because of how great a coach he is.

[See Red]

excuse me where were the bulls in the 94-95 season when jordan decided to play baseball , they werent that great at all without him, if he had not missed to 2 years the bulls would have won 8 in a row

 

55-27... within two games of winning the Eastern Conference

 

You were saying they weren't any good?

[MC Hammer]

55-27... within two games of winning the Eastern Conference

 

You were saying they weren't any good?

Jordan didn't miss 93-94 ... he missed 94-95 ... in which they finished 47-35

[See Red]

Jordan didn't miss 93-94 ... he missed 94-95 ... in which they finished 47-35

 

The season I brought up ('94), the Bulls were 55-27, and the five leading scorers were...

 

Scottie Pippen (22.0)

Horace Grant (15.1)

B.J. Armstrong (14.8)

Toni Kukoc (10.9)

Steve Kerr (8.6)

 

The season before that ('93), they were 57-25 with Jordan (2 games better than the next year without him). I don't know why you're disputing me, my points were spot on. Even in that 'bad' season without Jordan, they were a #5 seed in the playoffs. You add one of the 2 or 3 greatest players to any #5 seed and they're going to be the best team in the league.

 

Edit: I should add that Scottie Pippen made the all NBA first team both years, so any arguments that Pippen was nothing without Jordan is wrong.

[MC Hammer]

The season I brought up ('94), the Bulls were 55-27, and the five leading scorers were...

 

Scottie Pippen (22.0)

Horace Grant (15.1)

B.J. Armstrong (14.8)

Toni Kukoc (10.9)

Steve Kerr (8.6)

 

The season before that ('93), they were 57-25 with Jordan (2 games better than the next year without him). I don't know why you're disputing me, my points were spot on. Even in that 'bad' season without Jordan, they were a #5 seed in the playoffs. You add one of the 2 or 3 greatest players to any #5 seed and they're going to be the best team in the league.

 

Edit: I should add that Scottie Pippen made the all NBA first team both years, so any arguments that Pippen was nothing without Jordan is wrong.

YOU ARE GIVING THE RECORD FROM THE 93-94 SEASON. Jordan played 93-94, but missed 94-95.

 

47-35 was the Bulls record the year Jordan missed ... as seen here ...

http://sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=nytimes&page=nba/teams/DIRECT093.htm

 

BTW the next year when he came back he helped the Bulls to the best record in the history of the NBA and another Title.

[See Red]

You, sir, are a moron.

 

Jordan missed almost two whole seasons. One he missed completely, and another he played on 17 regular season games of, plus the playoffs.

 

The first, the season that he missed completely, the Bulls finished 55-27 and lost in the Eastern Conference Semi's to the eventual Eastern Conference Champion Knicks.

 

During this season, in which they, I'll repeat, went 55-27, their 5 leading scorers were Scottie Pippen, Horace Grant, B.J. Armstrong, Tony Kukoc, and Steve Kerr. NO JORDAN.

 

The season you're referring to happened after this season. Jordan played 17 regular season games.

 

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1994.html

[MC Hammer]

NO JORDAN.

First of all ... DUH. If he didn't play how could he be a leading scorer. How many titles does Pippen have without Jordan. Oh ok thanks.

[See Red]

I think you deleted your post, seeing it was incorrect, but regardless...

 

You say Jordan played the '93-94 season in which the Bulls went 55-27, correct?

 

Well, NBA.com disagrees with you. Now, who knows more... you? Or the league in which he played?

 

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/michael_jordan/

[See Red]

First of all ... DUH. If he didn't play how could he be a leading scorer. How many titles does Pippen have without Jordan. Oh ok thanks.

 

How many titles does Jordan have without Pippen? Oh ok thanks. You've been saying this entire time he PLAYED the '93-94 season. I put that to prove you incorrect.

[MC Hammer]

How many titles does Jordan have without Pippen? Oh ok thanks. You've been saying this entire time he PLAYED the '93-94 season. I put that to prove you incorrect.

OK I'll admit I was incorrect if that makes you feel like a big man or something. I looked at the stats and simply forgot about the season he took off. I went down the list of stats without looking at the years just assuming the next year I saw was 93-94. I was wrong. Happy?

[See Red]

I was wrong. Happy?

 

Yes, because now I don't have to bring up the same, correct point over and over again, show my proof, and still be called wrong.

[MC Hammer]

Yes, because now I don't have to bring up the same, correct point over and over again, show my proof, and still be called wrong.

Yeah dude like I said I'm real happy for you. Maybe you should go back to trying to convince people Wilt is better than MJ

[He Hate Me]

Um how bout Grant f***ing Hill? I know he's had an injury plagued career, but he's a great player when healthy. When healthy at the begining of his career people were saying he was the next Jordan. How about Carlos Boozer? Chris Duhon? Deng? Dunleavy? Battier? Let's not pretend that Duke doesn't produce talent. Look at it this way as well. How many players go to UNC for 1, or 2 years and leave? Most of the good ones huh? Well did you ever stop to think that Coach K recruits players who will make his program better and be dedicated to it, and UNC just gets the best player. I'd rather have a Coach who recruits a team than a coach who just recruits super stars.

 

Exactly Grant's been hurt. it doesnt matter the skillset, the man has to be able to have the skills AND the endurance to play in the NBA. Skillset isnt any good if the guys alwasy injured or if his head aint on right. Unfortunately for Grant, he hasn't had a good career. Carlos Boozer's career has been down the tank ever since his 2 decent years in Cleveland. Duhon is a midlevel talent at best, his numbers are mediocore plus he's only bee in the league TWO years. Same for Deng. Battier's stats don't overwhelm anyone. And Dunleavy has been a major disapointment since he came into the league. yes Duke produces talent, just not superstar or even above average talent.

 

Please tell me that wasn't a dig at Coach K at the end there. You realize he took Duke from a nothing program to national prominance, right? You realize he coached some of the best college basketball players ever right? Enjoy Roy who clearly has no dedication to his school or players (see: Kansas). If you like coaches who pay their players to stay in school then Roy is your guy. Me? I'll take the honest guy who only gets/keeps players because of how great a coach he is.

 

no that was actually a compliment. that COach K could turn players who obviously lack superstar skills on the NBA level and yet consistently have them place top 5 every year. I'm not a fan of either UNC or Duke, so I'm being objective here. If anything, I am jealous since my team is St. Johns

[He Hate Me]

this thread is pure comedy btw.

[See Red]

Yeah dude like I said I'm real happy for you. Maybe you should go back to trying to convince people Wilt is better than MJ

 

Give me a good point as to why he's not and we'll talk. The numbers are better and Jordan never had to compete for rings against the Celtics dynasty (see: 8 hall of famers over 13 seasons).

 

Oh yeah, I forgot, according to you, Jordan got all his points on 3 pointers, which, in his best scoring years, he made once every ten games.

 

Your past posts in this thread have ruined any credibility you might have when it comes to the NBA.

[He Hate Me]

As a tortured Knick fan and from what I've read about Wilt's days. I'll say this, Jordan ALWAYS ALWAYS got help from the refs (as do most superstars, but he was ridiculous). From what I heard about Wilt, they made rules to stop him, so I can't imagine the refs giving him too many calls.

[See Red]

As a tortured Knick fan and from what I've read about Wilt's days. I'll say this, Jordan ALWAYS ALWAYS got help from the refs (as do most superstars, but he was ridiculous). From what I heard about Wilt, they made rules to stop him, so I can't imagine the refs giving him too many calls.

 

Like when he pushed off of B-Russ, pulled up and hit the game winner for Championship #6

[MC Hammer]

Exactly Grant's been hurt. it doesnt matter the skillset, the man has to be able to have the skills AND the endurance to play in the NBA. Skillset isnt any good if the guys alwasy injured or if his head aint on right. Unfortunately for Grant, he hasn't had a good career. Carlos Boozer's career has been down the tank ever since his 2 decent years in Cleveland. Duhon is a midlevel talent at best, his numbers are mediocore plus he's only bee in the league TWO years. Same for Deng. Battier's stats don't overwhelm anyone. And Dunleavy has been a major disapointment since he came into the league. yes Duke produces talent, just not superstar or even above average talent.

The players I named can't be brought into question when people are listing players like JR Reid and Brendan Haywood as great players to come from UNC.

 

no that was actually a compliment. that COach K could turn players who obviously lack superstar skills on the NBA level and yet consistently have them place top 5 every year. I'm not a fan of either UNC or Duke, so I'm being objective here. If anything, I am jealous since my team is St. Johns

Guess I just misunderstood you.

[He Hate Me]

Like when he pushed off of B-Russ, pulled up and hit the game winner for Championship #6

 

Personally I wasn't shocked they didnt call it. The guy has pushed off on Starks countless times. he got away with travelling, hand checks, blocks, all sorts of things. He was a smarky little bastard too, was very well known to cozy up to the refs after the game. Pathetic. I'm glad Abe Polian turned him into nothing more than a Circus act to close out his career. Fitting way to end it, cuz that's all he's been to me. A Circus act.

 

you know what, I take back what I said earlier. Screw MJ, I forgot how much help that pompous, sneaky turd got from the refs. This is what happens when you try to block out painful memories.

[He Hate Me]

The players I named can't be brought into question when people are listing players like JR Reid and Brendan Haywood as great players to come from UNC.

 

 

Guess I just misunderstood you.

 

Whos listing JR Reid?

[redsoxrules]

55-27... within two games of winning the Eastern Conference

 

You were saying they weren't any good?

 

thats right , as i mentioned EARLIER if jordan would have been playing they would have won that year as well . i think 2 games from winning the championship and winning it is a big difference

jordan's career post season stats proves it all too with an average of 33.4 PPG. 6RPG,5.7APg ang 2.10SPG

hmmm how much did the rest of the bulls did those 2 years he wasent there????kobe dosent even come close to those stats in the playoffs

[MC Hammer]

Whos listing JR Reid?

 

James Worthy! JR Reid! Brendan Haywood!

[He Hate Me]

 

Out of all the players from UNC, he picked Haywood and JR Reid?

[MC Hammer]

Out of all the players from UNC, he picked Haywood and JR Reid?

Indeed he did.

[jimmycarter05]

Um how bout Grant f***ing Hill? I know he's had an injury plagued career, but he's a great player when healthy. When healthy at the begining of his career people were saying he was the next Jordan. How about Carlos Boozer? Chris Duhon? Deng? Dunleavy? Battier? Let's not pretend that Duke doesn't produce talent. Look at it this way as well. How many players go to UNC for 1, or 2 years and leave? Most of the good ones huh? Well did you ever stop to think that Coach K recruits players who will make his program better and be dedicated to it, and UNC just gets the best player. I'd rather have a Coach who recruits a team than a coach who just recruits super stars.

 

BTW who cares who produces better NBA players? I couldn't care less if anyone from Duke was ever drafted in the NBA ... as long as we win.

 

Please tell me that wasn't a dig at Coach K at the end there. You realize he took Duke from a nothing program to national prominance, right? You realize he coached some of the best college basketball players ever right? Enjoy Roy who clearly has no dedication to his school or players (see: Kansas). If you like coaches who pay their players to stay in school then Roy is your guy. Me? I'll take the honest guy who only gets/keeps players because of how great a coach he is.

 

 

You gotta be kidding me.

[MC Hammer]

You gotta be kidding me.

Dude are you kidding? YOU NAMED JR REID AND BRENDAN HAYWOOD!

 

There are no 2 names I could throw out from Duke that are more ridiculous than the 2 you named from UNC.

[jimmycarter05]

Dude are you kidding? YOU NAMED JR REID AND BRENDAN HAYWOOD!

 

There are no 2 names I could throw out from Duke that are more ridiculous than the 2 you named from UNC.

 

 

That's because the best had already been said, and anyway here are some match ups;

 

Michael Jordan: Duke has No One

 

James Worthy: Duke has No One

 

Vince Carter: Duke has No One

 

Antawan Jamesion: Grant Hill, maybe because of injuries

 

Marvin Williams, Sean May, Mccants, Felton will all be Superstars, the bottom line is that UNC has a much better basketball program than Duke, Your little "Coach K" took all his stuff from Dean Smith, and that's the cold hard TRUTH!

[He Hate Me]

That's because the best had already been said, and anyway here are some match ups;

 

Michael Jordan: Duke has No One

 

James Worthy: Duke has No One

 

Vince Carter: Duke has No One

 

Antawan Jamesion: Grant Hill, maybe because of injuries

 

Marvin Williams, Sean May, Mccants, Felton will all be Superstars, the bottom line is that UNC has a much better basketball program than Duke, Your little "Coach K" took all his stuff from Dean Smith, and that's the cold hard TRUTH!

 

I disagree. Duke has the better college basketball program, UNC has more NBA stars.

[jimmycarter05]

Who has more NCAA titles? Actually the most NCAA titles in college basketball? UNC, now tell me who's better.

[Moose]

Actually the most NCAA titles in college basketball? UNC, now tell me who's better.

 

No dude, it's UCLA.