Some good news?

[ORS]

what are you talking about? Bean has great stuff and would be on any other teams active roster right now!! (and if hes such a stiff then why did you uys take him in the Rule 5 prior to 2004?).....Shelley Duncan (2B, Trenton) had a GREAT season.

If Bean's so good, why'd the Yanks get him back from the Rule 5 draft? And, why wasn't he in the BP this year when the Yank's MR was hemorrhaging runs? Duncan did one thing well this year, hit for power. He hit 34 HRs as a 25 year old, which is a little old for AA. He also struck out 140 times and put up this line .240/.323/.490/.813, as a 25 year old in AA. Is there an echo in here? He's not making the big club as a corner IF, and he's not drawing any attention in the trade market at that age with those numbers in AA.

 

Those are the two that stuck out first and foremost, there are others, but I don't want to write a book.

[a700hitter]

no one is going to cry over kevin millar and im not going to look back on the 2004 red sox because i am excited about the future and all the great young talent on the horizon.

Never forget 2004. You are very young, so you may not yet realize just how special it was. Even if we win 5 more times in my lifetime, 2004 will still be special.

[Cityofchampions33]

Of all the Yankee weaknesses to question, you question Mo?

 

Sorry, that just gave me a good laugh.

His talent is not what i was questioning. Sorry if I'm just bringing this up but lets face it, he wont pitch forever

 

 

 

That's what happens when a relief pitcher is a starter for much of his career.

 

He only started in 1999, and 5 in 2000, but that's it.

[Optimist]

he wont pitch forever

 

YES HE WILL!!!

 

[jsinger121]

im not forgetting 2004. i never will but i would rather look to the future and what lies ahead. the red sox are in good shape for the future with prospects on the way and money to spend next season when the free agent class gets better.

[a700hitter]

henn is not highly touted. he isnt even in the same breath as any of the top pitching prospects in baseball such as lester, papelbon, verlander, king felix, billingsbly, olsen, liriano, anibal sanchez, zumaya. i mean come on those are legimitate pitching prospects. henn will be lucky to be even a 5th starter someday. henn is only highly touted in new york to pump up his value to use in a trade.

When Henn was given an opportunity at the ML level, he laid a big egg. My apologies.

[Optimist]

When Henn was given an opportunity at the ML level, he laid a big egg. My apologies.

 

Three starts. Not exactly an adequate sample size, if you ask me; especially if you factor in that he was, pretty much, rushed up due to the Yankee's rotation problems in 2005.

[yankeessuck013]

Can any one see that no one is going to win this argument?

[Cityofchampions33]

Can any one see that no one is going to win this argument?

 

Unless someone owns someone then no, I haven't seen any owning in awhile

[Optimist]

Can any one see that no one is going to win this argument?

 

What's new?

[ORS]

Can any one see that no one is going to win this argument?

In no way do I expect to convert anyone's beliefs, but I can expose them as foolish.

[jsinger121]

he laid an egg in 3 starts because he maybe he does not have the talent to be a highly touted pitcher like you said. on the other hand jonathan papelbon in 3 starts before stabalizing the bullpen had 3 solid starts in which he got 3 no decisions but kept the sox in the game to win it. he at least pitched into the 6th inning in his starts while henn couldn't even make it past the fifth inning. i think talent has alot to do with the fact that henn got bombed and papelbon did not. henn is just not as talented as papelbon and the other pitchers that i mentioned. every organization has a pitcher like sean henn. the red sox have him in abe alvarez.

[26 to 6]

When Henn was given an opportunity at the ML level, he laid a big egg. My apologies.

some rookies need an entire year to get their feet wet. He had 3 starts, give him a break.

[a700hitter]

Three starts. Not exactly an adequate sample size, if you ask me; especially if you factor in that he was, pretty much, rushed up due to the Yankee's rotation problems in 2005.

I watched and /or listened to some of those games. The Yankee announcers were not very high on the kid before the start of the game. Their lack of enthusiasm lead me to think that the Yanks' FO is not very high on Henn.

[jsinger121]

ill give him a break but he is still not a top pitching prospect. he won't even crack baseball america's top 100.

[a700hitter]

It looks like another day and still no SS or CF. What is holding them up?

[26 to 6]

dont get me wrong guys, Henn isnt my favorite guy either and if you've seen some of my posts (He is trade bait in my eyes) you will know how I feel, but I have to defend the guy

 

..I dont expect him to be a front of the rotaton guy, but you NEVER know, just like with Cano, Piazza, guys like that.

[jsinger121]

maybe its because they don't want to pay alex gonzalez the 5 million a yr he is looking for because he isn't that good. im not concerned yet we have no one in center and at short. i still think we will get reed when the mariners stop with their ridiculous demands.

[jsinger121]

the odds are highly against sean henn from even being a top of the rotation guy letting alone being a decent 4th or 5th starter. all the yanks want from him is to pitch decent for the clippers so they can pump him up and dump him. he does not have alot of trade value as his stuff is pretty mediocre.

[a700hitter]

maybe its because they don't want to pay alex gonzalez the 5 million a yr he is looking for because he isn't that good. im not concerned yet we have no one in center and at short. i still think we will get reed when the mariners stop with their ridiculous demands.

I am thinking that these crazy Manny trade offers with the O's and Mets are holding up any moves. Once the FO either pulls the trigger on a Manny trade or throw in the towel, the other moves will come quickly.

[ORS]

It looks like another day and still no SS or CF. What is holding them up?

The hot stove is usually dead between Christmas and New Years. Let the calendar change, something will happen.

[jsinger121]

alot of free agents like to sign before christmas and then everything will slow down until the new year when all remaining free agents sign with teams.

[ORS]

alot of free agents like to sign before christmas and then everything will slow down until the new year when all remaining free agents sign with teams.

I have doubts that any answers are coming via the FA market. There is mostly drek or overpriced talent, Preston Wilson, left on the table. I think the answer will come through trades.

[jsinger121]

i completely agree. i just hope they can fill their needs without giving up lester, papelbon, or marte.

[ORS]

i completely agree. i just hope they can fill their needs without giving up lester, papelbon, or marte.

I have seen nothing to suggest that the FO is willing to give up the blue-chippers just to fill a hole for 2006. I'll never say never though.

[example1]

I am thinking that these crazy Manny trade offers with the O's and Mets are holding up any moves. Once the FO either pulls the trigger on a Manny trade or throw in the towel, the other moves will come quickly.

 

Yeah, but the amazing thing is that the Orioles are actually looking for a way to move Tejada. I think that Zambrano aside the Sox have the best offer on the table. Perhaps nothing will come of it, but it seems to be gaining steam rather than losing it. Tejada said again today that he wants to be traded, now even more than when he first asked for a trade.

 

Multiple sources (probably quoting each other) are saying that the biggest thing holding the sox up is money. The second biggest thing is not wanting to let Miggy hurt them this season.

 

Personally, I think Manny is an offensive upgrade over Tejada for the Birds. However, with Ortiz Tejada should have the best protection of his career and will be a more than adequate replacement. I invision .300/30/120 or so from him, and .300/40/140 from Ortiz. People think there will be an Ortiz related drop off, but I think Tejada would help with that somewhat.

[jsinger121]

they are reluctant to give up any top talent unless they have an offer than blows them away. i just don't see it. teams are asking for the red sox top prospects for the likes of lugo, gathright, and reed to see if the red sox panic. im glad the sox have not traded any of their top prospects for average players to just fill a hole.

[ORS]

Personally, I think Manny is an offensive upgrade over Tejada for the Birds.

In terms of raw numbers, this is correct. But 3-2-1 VORP over the last 3 years suggests it is a wash. Manny's is 70.1, and Miggy's is 69.0.

[a700hitter]

Personally, I think Manny is an offensive upgrade over Tejada for the Birds. However, with Ortiz Tejada should have the best protection of his career and will be a more than adequate replacement. I invision .300/30/120 or so from him, and .300/40/140 from Ortiz. People think there will be an Ortiz related drop off, but I think Tejada would help with that somewhat.

I think today's tirade by Tejada is more than just a coincidence. It comes at a time when there is a confirmed offer of Manny and Clement. The Orioles have been playing hardball and dragging their feet, because they probably believed that once the season would start that Miggy would be okay. This tirade could be a well-timed attempt to force the O's hand.

[jsinger121]

tejada is also 4 yrs younger than manny as well and could put up great numbers hitting behind ortiz and in fenway park.