could marte play rf?

[pats55sox45]

if marte could play rf, we could then move trot to cf, which would solve one of our problems

[Tek04]

Has Trot ever played center before?

[guapo34]

Trot has played center before. He wasn't very good at it, and hes declined as a RF lately. The Braves traded Marte becuase they believed they couldn't move him to the outfield.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Trot in CF would be a disaster. He get's a bad jump on balls. But having his arm there would be good.

[SCM33]

I think I vomitted in my mouth. Trot in right for the money hes making makes me vomit as it is. A fat CF? A rookie 3B who has proven nothing playing in the spacious Fenway RF? These two to possibly play alongside the liability which Manny Ramirez is? No thanks. They let an allstar walk away, I expect they get a pretty damn good player in return, otherwise FO screwed this up BIGTIME. RF in Fenway is the toughest to play in baseball, please get a real CF.

[SCM33]

if marte could play rf, we could then move trot to cf, which would solve one of our problems

 

This solves zero problems. If anything it creates problems. If a position is filled, the problem isnt solved. Signing Johnny Damon would have solved one of our problems.

 

If you are keeping track, the Yankees have accomplished everything they wanted to going into the offseason...CF, bullpen help, better bench, cut payroll, retained solid veterans....

 

And the Sox have addressed nothing. Downgraded 3B, Downgraded SS, Wash at 2B, Downgraded backup Catcher, Downgraded CF, Possibly Downgraded LF. I bet Josh Beckett looks pretty sweet in a Boston uniform though!!!!!

[jsinger121]

marte in right would be a disaster in fenway park. nixon at his age now can barely play it. nixon does not have the speed to play in center. he could never cover all that ground. he could only do it in a pinch if needed.

[riverside sluggers]

This solves zero problems. If anything it creates problems. If a position is filled, the problem isnt solved. Signing Johnny Damon would have solved one of our problems.

 

If you are keeping track, the Yankees have accomplished everything they wanted to going into the offseason...CF, bullpen help, better bench, cut payroll, retained solid veterans....

 

And the Sox have addressed nothing. Downgraded 3B, Downgraded SS, Wash at 2B, Downgraded backup Catcher, Downgraded CF, Possibly Downgraded LF. I bet Josh Beckett looks pretty sweet in a Boston uniform though!!!!!

 

if you johnny damon is worth $52 million over 4 years, that gave me a pretty good laugh. IMO even if Sox were to match that offer, Johnny wouldve still chosen to go to New York.

 

How did they downgrade at 3rd base. Mueller is my boy, but Lowell is actually better defensively. Hence the gold glove he won this past season. And with Fenway Park, I expect for him to give the same or even better offensively than Mueller's 05 stats.

 

Getting Mark Loretta for Mirabelli was a steal. His contract just runs through next season, bridging the gap for Dustin Pedroia. A 2004 All Star, he has proven to give solid D and pop in his bat.

 

And yes it is sweet to see a world series MVP against the Yankees and potential ace, in a Red Sox uniform

[ORS]

And the Sox have addressed nothing. Downgraded 3B, Downgraded SS, Wash at 2B, Downgraded backup Catcher, Downgraded CF, Possibly Downgraded LF. I bet Josh Beckett looks pretty sweet in a Boston uniform though!!!!!

What a load of absolute horseshit!! I understand that a fanboy like you is going to have a hard time parting with his JD jersey, but this line of thinking echo's typical Boston media propaganda.

 

They have absolutely addressed needs. They acquired a young, powerful bat at a corner IF position for the future, something lacking in the farm system. They got a 25 y/o power pitcher on the cusp of peak years. They traded their backup C for an all-star capable starting middle IF, but more importantly, they made room on the roster for another promising young player to get some well deserved playing time. They have addressed needs, it just so happens that their needs don't coincide with yours.

 

They aren't sacraficing 2007 and beyond for the sake of 2006, and that is their right. They came into a situation where they had a decent club, they went out and spent big on the FA market to get a few extra pieces, and they brought home the big prize for the first time in over 80 years. If the powerhouse they are trying to build never materializes, then be upset, but give it a shot.

[elsrbueno]

What a load of absolute horseshit!! I understand that a fanboy like you is going to have a hard time parting with his JD jersey, but this line of thinking echo's typical Boston media propaganda.

 

They have absolutely addressed needs. They acquired a young, powerful bat at a corner IF position for the future, something lacking in the farm system. They got a 25 y/o power pitcher on the cusp of peak years. They traded their backup C for an all-star capable starting middle IF, but more importantly, they made room on the roster for another promising young player to get some well deserved playing time. They have addressed needs, it just so happens that their needs don't coincide with yours.

 

They aren't sacraficing 2007 and beyond for the sake of 2006, and that is their right. They came into a situation where they had a decent club, they went out and spent big on the FA market to get a few extra pieces, and they brought home the big prize for the first time in over 80 years. If the powerhouse they are trying to build never materializes, then be upset, but give it a shot.

 

ORS-- I agree with you for the most part. The Red Sox look like they're acting in the best interest of the long term organization over the needs of winning in 2006. Something that's very hard for a lot of Red Sox fans to swallow, especially with both the Blue Jays and Yankees making high profile moves.

 

Hanley and Sanchez were hard to lose as well, but take a look at what they got: Josh Beckett, a guy who at 25 has already been a postseason hero and is still years before his prime.

 

The Red Sox traded a backup catcher for a potential all-star and a proven everyday player.

 

I cringe every time I hear people say we've downgraded at third base. Mike Lowell is overpaid, I'll give you that, but he's a guy capable of hitting .280 with 25 homers and 90+ RBIs AND win a gold glove. I loved Bill Mueller but let's face facts here-- Mike Lowell is NOT a downgrade.

 

The only problem I have with the Edgar Renteria trade is that there doesn't seem to be a contingency plan. Edgar was a great player in St. Louis who really really struggled in Boston. He seemed to have limited range, made a ton of errors, and never hit like the Red Sox thought he would. While I don't like the idea of giving up on Edgar so quickly, they acquired a top corner infield prospect and a bat that can help soon and for a long time. If either Lowell or Youkilis get hurt, Andy Marte will see time as their replacement. If Lowell plays out his contract here and contributes as I believe he will, the Red Sox have a potential star to replace him in a couple years.

 

The Red Sox have made strides to upgrade the bullpen, too. Guillermo Mota and Rudy Seanez are good arms which should help reduce the pressure on the likes of Mike Timlin.

 

I'll agree that the Red Sox have a lot of work to do. Centerfield, Shortstop, first base, 4th outfielder are still positions that need help. It may get worse before it gets better (with Wells and Ramirez potential further departures), but I the Red Sox have an eye on the future and if they sacrifice 2006 but have a strong team starting in 2007 for a long time, that is a sacrifice I'm willing to make as a Red Sox fan.

[riverside sluggers]

well said elsrbueno

[He Hate Me]

but I the Red Sox have an eye on the future and if they sacrifice 2006 but have a strong team starting in 2007 for a long time, that is a sacrifice I'm willing to make as a Red Sox fan.

 

Would you still be willing to pay the highest prices in the league to watch a team of the future?

[riverside sluggers]

if you are talking about seats at Fenway, then yes I am. Besides I get my tickets through my friend who gets free tix from his company, and occasionally get some good deals on ebay. Already have tix for 3 games, including a certain game on May 1 right by the yankee dugout as well.

 

Rebuilding mode or not, I wont lose the faith for 2006 not just yet.

[SCM33]

if you johnny damon is worth $52 million over 4 years, that gave me a pretty good laugh. IMO even if Sox were to match that offer, Johnny wouldve still chosen to go to New York.

 

How did they downgrade at 3rd base. Mueller is my boy, but Lowell is actually better defensively. Hence the gold glove he won this past season. And with Fenway Park, I expect for him to give the same or even better offensively than Mueller's 05 stats.

 

Getting Mark Loretta for Mirabelli was a steal. His contract just runs through next season, bridging the gap for Dustin Pedroia. A 2004 All Star, he has proven to give solid D and pop in his bat.

 

And yes it is sweet to see a world series MVP against the Yankees and potential ace, in a Red Sox uniform

 

And you know this? Damon at 4/52 is better than having no CF and trading away pieces that you didnt originally have to if you would have just signed the guy. Now this will cost us Clement or Arroyo + prospects. The sox are going to have to give up something. Nobody wants Clement, and we are ignorant if we think we can sneak one past a team. Everyone know what prospects we have, and they want them. Also, Lorettas Pop is gone, he got hurt, and his pop disappeared. Look at his IsoP #'s.

 

if How did they downgrade at 3rd base. Mueller is my boy, but Lowell is actually better defensively. Hence the gold glove he won this past season. And with Fenway Park, I expect for him to give the same or even better offensively than Mueller's 05 stats.

 

Mike Lowell from 2004 says hello. What makes you think he will rebound. Players do fall off as they get older (or come off the juice). I love how everyone projects .280 25 HR from the guy. Let me just say this. Mike Lowell career OBP is .339. better than Mueller? No. If he isnt gettin on base, and wasn't productive last year, this is an improvement how? Mueller deserved a GG. No thanks, Ill take The Pro. Even in his prime Lowell was barely a .280 hitter. More realistically he will hit .250-.260 with 10-15 HR and have on OBP around .300-.320.

 

Hanley and Sanchez were hard to lose as well, but take a look at what they got: Josh Beckett, a guy who at 25 has already been a postseason hero and is still years before his prime.

 

We traded away two SS for a pitcher who as been reported could be hurt, a MR who had an offseason, and a 34 year old 3B making 9 million per year. IF WE ARE BUILDING FOR THE FUTURE....WHY HANLEY?

 

They have absolutely addressed needs. They acquired a young, powerful bat at a corner IF position for the future, something lacking in the farm system. They got a 25 y/o power pitcher on the cusp of peak years. They traded their backup C for an all-star capable starting middle IF, but more importantly, they made room on the roster for another promising young player to get some well deserved playing time. They have addressed needs, it just so happens that their needs don't coincide with yours.

 

Oh yeah? Whos playing 1B? SS? CF? whos in the bullpen? Dont tell me Youks is the starting 1B, that hasnt been confrimed and it actually looked like Youks wasnt going to play at all this upcoming year at onew point in the offseason. Starting pitching wasnt a hole, but decided to acquire Beckett. 3B wasnt a hole, now they have three of them. Utility player is not a hole on any team, not even worth arguing. Now they have 3 of those too. Backup catcher however is a hole. It is actually a huge hole considering Mirabelli played in at least 35 games a year, an equivalent to 1/5 of the teams games per year. Mirabelli was a solid glove and bat. Flaherty and his .125 AVG dont impress me, neither does Cuccaby (huckaby). Rudy Seanz already failed here, and can't stay healthy. He doesnt impress me. Not to mention he walked over 100 batters one year in the minors.http://thebaseballcube.com/players/S/rudy-seanez.shtml. Last year was his first fully healthy season as a big leaguer.

 

I am sure if they don't get it together soon and put out a crappy team they will lower ticket prices so we arent paying the most expensive ticket in all of baseball for a third place team, because thats exactly what we have. We have never had this many question marks on this team in recent years. I am sure ticket prices will decrease rather than increase .

 

I believe it is you who is drinking from LL's big jug of coolaid because you are believing exactly what he wants you to. The thing is.....Theo left, nobody replaced him, and nobody wants to. (Why have 1 GM when you can have two!!!!:thumbsup: ) There is a reason nobody wants to work, or play for the guy.

[example1]

Would you still be willing to pay the highest prices in the league to watch a team of the future?

 

Are you implying that the only reason people go to Yankee stadium is to see high priced uber-stars? If the Yanks rebuilt then the fans would stop going? That's really sad.

 

I guess I have always felt that Sox fans are actually better fans than yankee fans, given that they will still go to see the team regardless of how good the team is that year, selling out for years on end to see a team that hasn't won a WS for years. Yankee Stadium doesn't even sell out for games against the A's or Angels sometimes... that's astounding to me.

 

That being said, Marte shouldn't be made into an outfielder. However, if Manny could play the wall then I suppose Marte could learn to do it as well.

[SCM33]

if you are talking about seats at Fenway, then yes I am. Besides I get my tickets through my friend who gets free tix from his company, and occasionally get some good deals on ebay. Already have tix for 3 games, including a certain game on May 1 right by the yankee dugout as well.

 

Rebuilding mode or not, I wont lose the faith for 2006 not just yet.

 

 

I havent lost faith. I want a solid team out there for that money though. Its hard to keep faith when they appear to go in one direction, then go in another. I would rather they just come out and tell us what they are trying to do so I can stop scratching my head.

[example1]

I havent lost faith. I want a solid team out there for that money though. Its hard to keep faith when they appear to go in one direction, then go in another. I would rather they just come out and tell us what they are trying to do so I can stop scratching my head.

 

Stop scratching your head. They are trying to get cheaper, to remain flexible to possibly resign players like Ortiz and Beckett, or pick up players for REASONABLE prices (not 20million for manny). They are trying to get younger so they can recover once Schilling, Varitek and Trot are gone in the next 2-3 years. They are trying to remain competative so fans will continue to show up and make Fenway the most home-field friendly park in the bigs.

 

It isn't some never-before-seen move in baseball. The sox are trying to rebuild the foundation of their house while still living in it. They will probably not be the best team in baseball next year, but given that the last few years have had surprise teams win the WS the FO figures why not go for it now.

 

If you are having a hard time keeping the faith with this team then perhaps the red sox aren't the team for you. The mets look like a good alternative candidate: they are getting older and more expensive. The yankees are always a good choice; perhaps you should check out some of those teams. The sox are known for their ups and downs, and its not that big of a deal. I don't think this down will be as big a rebuilding as people are making it out to be.

 

I find what the sox are doing to be really interesting and thought provoking. I'm not sure they know what they're doing every step of the way, but I don't think teams ever do. They have been good the last few years, and will be good again in 2007. 2006? We'll have to see.

 

I would rather have Beckett, Papelbon and Lester for the next few years than the staff we had last year. If it means we have to wait a year to get it going in full-force then so be it.

[SCM33]

I am sorry if it appears that I am trashing the RedSox, In all honesty I am not. I love the Beckett trade, because we acquired a top notch pitcher. And I even agree with dealing Hanley because I for one was never high on him. I don't agree with the Renterria deal. As crappy as he played, hes a proven ballplayer with all the tools. I think it was a matter of time before he put it together. He was still very young for all he accomplished. I see the point of the Seanez signing, and he does have good stuff, I just see him as an injury waiting to happen. Hopefully Mota can go back to his early 2000 years numbers. With Lowell, I see no upside whatsoever, but he was baggage we had to take. The CF situation bothers me most, not because I liked Damon, because I thought he was brash and cocky, but one hell of a leadoff hitter/CF.

 

These are things I would like to see:

*Either announce Youk as the 1B, or sign Snow to platoon and teach him the ropes.

*Find a defensive SS, I would love for Pedroia to get a shot, everyone talks about his defense in college, but complains about his arm. I hope we dont label him like Eckstein.

*I would love to see Reed in CF. His minor league numbers are gawdy and he already has a year under his belt. He can only improve. If he hits .260 but has an OBP of .350 I would be happy. How we acquire Reed is another story, Seattle wants Paps or Lester. IF we have to dump one, send Clement packing, Arroyo has more value as a swingman and is more comfortable with accepting it than Clement. Clement was bothered when Chicago moved him to the pen.

*Let Shoppach back up Tek. Shoppach is the future and has experiance with Zink. No need to screw around with crappy veteran backups.

*Keep Manny, let hm be unhappy. He will still produce, few get in the zone at the plate like Manny does, the guy is a machine and will produce regardless.

*Lowell plays 3B, we are stuck with him.

*I think Graffanino sticks with the team, and takes balls at 1B, 2B, 3B, and some Short. Depending on what Cora, Graffy, Youk do in ST one of them will be dealt.

*They need a true LHP in the pen. I am not sure what I think of Dinardo out there, I think he has reverse splits in terms of LHH and RHH.

 

The rotation is pretty much set.

 

This has not been mentioned, but, if nobody offers Sosa anything. Why not offer him a small deal to Platoon with Trot? I know he said he would rather play in Japan if he doesnt get a deal in the US, but why not? Better Yet, try to throw Trot in with a deal to Seattle, maybe if we give them enough pieces it wont cost us a young gun.

[example1]

These are things I would like to see:

*Either announce Youk as the 1B, or sign Snow to platoon and teach him the ropes.

*Find a defensive SS, I would love for Pedroia to get a shot, everyone talks about his defense in college, but complains about his arm. I hope we dont label him like Eckstein.

*I would love to see Reed in CF. His minor league numbers are gawdy and he already has a year under his belt. He can only improve. If he hits .260 but has an OBP of .350 I would be happy. How we acquire Reed is another story, Seattle wants Paps or Lester. IF we have to dump one, send Clement packing, Arroyo has more value as a swingman and is more comfortable with accepting it than Clement. Clement was bothered when Chicago moved him to the pen.

*Let Shoppach back up Tek. Shoppach is the future and has experiance with Zink. No need to screw around with crappy veteran backups.

*Keep Manny, let hm be unhappy. He will still produce, few get in the zone at the plate like Manny does, the guy is a machine and will produce regardless.

*Lowell plays 3B, we are stuck with him.

*I think Graffanino sticks with the team, and takes balls at 1B, 2B, 3B, and some Short. Depending on what Cora, Graffy, Youk do in ST one of them will be dealt.

*They need a true LHP in the pen. I am not sure what I think of Dinardo out there, I think he has reverse splits in terms of LHH and RHH.

 

The rotation is pretty much set.

 

This has not been mentioned, but, if nobody offers Sosa anything. Why not offer him a small deal to Platoon with Trot? I know he said he would rather play in Japan if he doesnt get a deal in the US, but why not? Better Yet, try to throw Trot in with a deal to Seattle, maybe if we give them enough pieces it wont cost us a young gun.

 

Good post sweetchinmusic. I see you love the sox no matter what

 

Will reply more in a sec...

[SCM33]

Stop scratching your head. They are trying to get cheaper, to remain flexible to possibly resign players like Ortiz and Beckett, or pick up players for REASONABLE prices (not 20million for manny). They are trying to get younger so they can recover once Schilling, Varitek and Trot are gone in the next 2-3 years. They are trying to remain competative so fans will continue to show up and make Fenway the most home-field friendly park in the bigs.

 

It isn't some never-before-seen move in baseball. The sox are trying to rebuild the foundation of their house while still living in it. They will probably not be the best team in baseball next year, but given that the last few years have had surprise teams win the WS the FO figures why not go for it now.

 

If you are having a hard time keeping the faith with this team then perhaps the red sox aren't the team for you. The mets look like a good alternative candidate: they are getting older and more expensive. The yankees are always a good choice; perhaps you should check out some of those teams. The sox are known for their ups and downs, and its not that big of a deal. I don't think this down will be as big a rebuilding as people are making it out to be.

 

I find what the sox are doing to be really interesting and thought provoking. I'm not sure they know what they're doing every step of the way, but I don't think teams ever do. They have been good the last few years, and will be good again in 2007. 2006? We'll have to see.

 

I would rather have Beckett, Papelbon and Lester for the next few years than the staff we had last year. If it means we have to wait a year to get it going in full-force then so be it.

 

 

 

 

You know whats consistent with the Yankees? Fans pay money to watch the team play, and the GM and owners go out and get players, and they win. Money should not be a problem for Boston. This isnt Minnesota, KC, TB. This is Boston, we have the highest ticket in baseball so I dont want to hear anything about cutting payroll, it shouldnt be an issue. The RedSox have the highest salary of any team to ever win a WS. I see the logic of not spending big money in a crappy market, but they need to do something, otherwise we are looking at third place.

[He Hate Me]

if you are talking about seats at Fenway, then yes I am. Besides I get my tickets through my friend who gets free tix from his company, and occasionally get some good deals on ebay. Already have tix for 3 games, including a certain game on May 1 right by the yankee dugout as well.

 

Rebuilding mode or not, I wont lose the faith for 2006 not just yet.

 

lucky guy.

 

I think it's still to early to tell though. Once the Manny situation is settled, we'll both know if we should bother getting excited for our first series next year.

[example1]

 

These are things I would like to see:

*Either announce Youk as the 1B, or sign Snow to platoon and teach him the ropes.

I'm pretty sure that Francona and the FO have already said on a number of occasions that they plan on Youk playing 1b unless they find something better. So that's that.

*Find a defensive SS, I would love for Pedroia to get a shot, everyone talks about his defense in college, but complains about his arm. I hope we dont label him like Eckstein.

I've heard Pedroia called the Eckstein that could be. He has Ecksteins tools but more leadership and better overall skills. I imagine Pee Wee Reese, for some reason.

 

*I would love to see Reed in CF. His minor league numbers are gawdy and he already has a year under his belt. He can only improve. If he hits .260 but has an OBP of .350 I would be happy. How we acquire Reed is another story, Seattle wants Paps or Lester. IF we have to dump one, send Clement packing, Arroyo has more value as a swingman and is more comfortable with accepting it than Clement. Clement was bothered when Chicago moved him to the pen.

Agreed. Reed would be great, but Paps or Lester are off limits. Delcarmen is not though. I think Delcarmen for Reed would be a viable option, although I sure like Manny D's attitude and the fact that he's a hometown boy.

 

*Let Shoppach back up Tek. Shoppach is the future and has experiance with Zink. No need to screw around with crappy veteran backups.

I don't really care about the backup catcher position. I'm not going to freak out one way or the other and it doesn't indicate whether or not the sox are moving in the right direction.

*Keep Manny, let hm be unhappy. He will still produce, few get in the zone at the plate like Manny does, the guy is a machine and will produce regardless.

 

If we do trade him, we have to get great value for him. I don't care if the value is immediate (i.e., Tejada) or in the future (Figgins and MacPherson) but only that the value is there. I don't know if Manny wants to leave or if it is his wife/marriage that is demanding it. I am also worried about a disgruntled Manny purposly dropping his own value to get a trade. I don't expect him to do so, but it is always apossibility. The guy, for whatever reason, seems incapable of NOT hitting well though, so that's a good thing.

*Lowell plays 3B, we are stuck with him.

Two years ago that would have been a GREAT thing. Let's see what happens this year. It could be bad, it could be great, who knows? At least he is a GG caliber 3b.

*I think Graffanino sticks with the team, and takes balls at 1B, 2B, 3B, and some Short. Depending on what Cora, Graffy, Youk do in ST one of them will be dealt.

Pure speculation. All three could be kept, given that only Loretta, Graff and Cora are capable of playing up the middle right now.

*They need a true LHP in the pen. I am not sure what I think of Dinardo out there, I think he has reverse splits in terms of LHH and RHH.

This is the one thing that I will fault the FO on for the offseason. They said there is only room for one relief specialist out there, and then let bradford go too. Stupid, stupid, stupid. For him to go to the Yankees is even worse.

The rotation is pretty much set.

Yep. Unless/Until we trade Clement/Arroyo/Wells.

This has not been mentioned, but, if nobody offers Sosa anything. Why not offer him a small deal to Platoon with Trot? I know he said he would rather play in Japan if he doesnt get a deal in the US, but why not? Better Yet, try to throw Trot in with a deal to Seattle, maybe if we give them enough pieces it wont cost us a young gun.

I like Trot to Seattle for something interesting. At least test the waters. I hate the sosa idea. the guy was just awful last year and is the most obvious juicer in MLB. Not only did he cork his bat, but he was juicing year after year and adding to the inflated numbers that ruined the record books with a permanent footnote. That's the only possible explanation I can think of for his obvious drop in numbers and production. He went from a .437 OBP in 2001 to a .295 OBP last year. Just awful.

[He Hate Me]

Are you implying that the only reason people go to Yankee stadium is to see high priced uber-stars? If the Yanks rebuilt then the fans would stop going? That's really sad.

 

Then don't boo if your team loses 100 games. When teams win, people go watch them, when they lose, not as many people go watch them. In case you havent noticed, it's pretty expensive to go watch a game these days, why do it when your team isn't putting in the effort to get a winning ballclub on the field? Ask anyone with a family to support if he's willing to to forkover 200 bux for tickets, food, and parking for one night to watch the losing end of a 10-3 thrashing. It's called getting your money's worth, if you dont get this concept, look at the situation with Marlins fans, you think they feel the way you do?

 

 

I guess I have always felt that Sox fans are actually better fans than yankee fans, given that they will still go to see the team regardless of how good the team is that year, selling out for years on end to see a team that hasn't won a WS for years. Yankee Stadium doesn't even sell out for games against the A's or Angels sometimes... that's astounding to me.

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/attend.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/attend.shtml

 

The attendance figures are there. Both teams are like every other team, when they're bad, less people go see them, when they are winning, more people go see them.

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You know whats consistent with the Yankees? Fans pay money to watch the team play, and the GM and owners go out and get players, and they win. Money should not be a problem for Boston. This isnt Minnesota, KC, TB. This is Boston, we have the highest ticket in baseball so I dont want to hear anything about cutting payroll, it shouldnt be an issue. The RedSox have the highest salary of any team to ever win a WS. I see the logic of not spending big money in a crappy market, but they need to do something, otherwise we are looking at third place.

 

So you probalby advocate for tearing down Fenway to add 20,000 more seats to get more money right? It's easy for you to say when its not your extra 12 million that would be offered to Damon.

 

The yankees are the ONLY team that does that. Can't you see that? There is ONE team that constantly, year after year throws money at star players, often overpaying them by millions and millions of dollars. And what happens? They don't win. They don't win the WS at least. When they did win it they didn't have a 200 million payroll, they had homegrown players and cheap team-player types. But I digress...

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Then don't boo if your team loses 100 games. When teams win, people go watch them, when they lose, not as many people go watch them. In case you havent noticed, it's pretty expensive to go watch a game these days, why do it when your team isn't putting in the effort to get a winning ballclub on the field? Ask anyone with a family to support if he's willing to to forkover 200 bux for tickets, food, and parking for one night to watch the losing end of a 10-3 thrashing. It's called getting your money's worth, if you dont get this concept, look at the situation with Marlins fans, you think they feel the way you do?

 

 

 

 

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/attend.shtml

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/BOS/attend.shtml

 

The attendance figures are there. Both teams are like every other team, when they're bad, less people go see them, when they are winning, more people go see them.

 

New York is the biggest city in the country and in the top 10 biggest cities in the world. Of course they'll have the highest attendence.

 

The fact that people boo shows that they care. Its all part of the fun of being a fan.

 

Finally, you want to put a bet down on whether or not the red sox lose 100 games this year smart ass? Any wager you want, I'm willing to take it.

[He Hate Me]

New York is the biggest city in the country and in the top 10 biggest cities in the world. Of course they'll have the highest attendence.

 

The links were not meant to say so and so hadf the better attendance. I posted it to show the fluctuation that appears in both markets as well as other markets, in that when the teams win, attendance rises, when it loses, attendance falls.

 

The fact that people boo shows that they care. Its all part of the fun of being a fan.

 

So if you goto a ballpark and boo the performance of a club that is rebuilding for the future, why can't you just choose to stay home instead? One might even suggest that the person who forks over 40 bux for a ticket to watch a team not even trying to contend is more of an idiot than someone who chooses to show his displeasure with the team by not bothering to waste his hard earned money. Put it this way, would you pay money to go watch a movie that promises its sequel will be much much better?

 

Finally, you want to put a bet down on whether or not the red sox lose 100 games this year smart ass? Any wager you want, I'm willing to take it.

 

I was using hyperbole and tossing that number off the top of my head.

[MANNYHOF24]

IF the redsox keep Manny Ramirez and trade for Coco Crisp to play center the sox will definatly have a shot for a WS title in 06. However there are a lot of "ifs" including the health of Schilling, the health and mental state of Keith Foulke as well as how Papelbon will adjust to the life of a Mlb Starter, and mark it down Papelbon WILL start next season. say they trade Clement and Wells to fill the holes at SS and CF keep Arroyo and put him in the pen incase one of our starters goes down. With Crisp, Loretta, Ortiz, Manny, Nixon, Varitek, Lowell/Marte and Youklis they still have one of the most potent offesnses in the Majors. The Bulpen always remains a question mark. Here are my main questions

1. Will Foulke return to 04 form, or will he flop agian this year?

2. Will newly aquired Mota have a bounce back year and really help out this pen?

3. What Role will Hansen and Delcarmen play next season?

 

Let's not jump the gun on next season; this team still has a chance to be very good.

[Cityofchampions33]

IMO the only hole we have is in CF. I don't know why the Sox haven't considered the Loretta to SS, and Graffy to 2B until Pedroia is ready idea. AT first I'm fine with Youkilis and Snow (who wants to be a late-inning replacement). Also I wouldn't want to deal any prospects to SEA for Reed, I would rather try and get them to Nixon or Clement if they'll take him.

 

As mentioned the only fault of the FO is not having a lefty specialist in there, I think DiNardo is a great long inning guy, kind of coming in the way Arroyo did, but I'm not sure if he can get out lefties on demand, but his curveball is pretty wicked.

 

The only thng that bothers me is that the Sox have been really quiet lately, and haven't pulled a move since Flaherty. I would like to see them at least commit to pursuing one CF or OF and show some sense of progress to fill that big hole.

[adam123]

IF the redsox keep Manny Ramirez and trade for Coco Crisp to play center the sox will definatly have a shot for a WS title in 06. However there are a lot of "ifs" including the health of Schilling, the health and mental state of Keith Foulke as well as how Papelbon will adjust to the life of a Mlb Starter, and mark it down Papelbon WILL start next season. say they trade Clement and Wells to fill the holes at SS and CF keep Arroyo and put him in the pen incase one of our starters goes down. With Crisp, Loretta, Ortiz, Manny, Nixon, Varitek, Lowell/Marte and Youklis they still have one of the most potent offesnses in the Majors. The Bulpen always remains a question mark. Here are my main questions

1. Will Foulke return to 04 form, or will he flop agian this year?

2. Will newly aquired Mota have a bounce back year and really help out this pen?

3. What Role will Hansen and Delcarmen play next season?

 

Let's not jump the gun on next season; this team still has a chance to be very good.

you got that right i will never give up on the sox ...that could be potent line up but do u think mannys really gonna stay

[adam123]

IF the redsox keep Manny Ramirez and trade for Coco Crisp to play center the sox will definatly have a shot for a WS title in 06. However there are a lot of "ifs" including the health of Schilling, the health and mental state of Keith Foulke as well as how Papelbon will adjust to the life of a Mlb Starter, and mark it down Papelbon WILL start next season. say they trade Clement and Wells to fill the holes at SS and CF keep Arroyo and put him in the pen incase one of our starters goes down. With Crisp, Loretta, Ortiz, Manny, Nixon, Varitek, Lowell/Marte and Youklis they still have one of the most potent offesnses in the Majors. The Bulpen always remains a question mark. Here are my main questions

1. Will Foulke return to 04 form, or will he flop agian this year?

2. Will newly aquired Mota have a bounce back year and really help out this pen?

3. What Role will Hansen and Delcarmen play next season?

 

Let's not jump the gun on next season; this team still has a chance to be very good.

i just dont think coco is comming here ... maybee sizemore ..... i wish