Sox front office...umm not gettin' it done

[MANNYHOF24]

This has been one of the worst offseasons in redsox history, and why? Could it possobly be that stuck-up Larry Lucchino didnt resign Theo Epstein?, absoultly, New Red Sox Gm duo Mary Kate and Ashley, have really gotten no goals acomplished. First off dont credit them with Getting Beckett, Beckett fell into their lap. Next off you trade Doug Mirabelli for washed up Mark Loretta.Why couldnt we have just see that Tony G. was coming back and let him play second, that way we could keep Mirabelli. I belive wakefield was like 16-7 with a 3.00 Era with Dougy catching. Next off we still havent found a solution for firstbase, they let Toronto off all teams snatch Lyle Overbay from us, which is absured, next they traded our Short-stop Edgar for a prospect who may be good oneday. Oh to top it all off they let Johnny Damon sign with our arch enemies.

Now, with no CF and SS the 2006 Red Sox are screwed, thanks Larry!

[jsinger121]

ok first doug mirabelli for a starting second baseman is a deal you do 100 times out of 100. mirabelli is a career backup while loretta is a career .301 hitter that was injured last yr. beckett didnt fall into their lap because florida also had the rangers involved and the red sox package was better. renteria in the sox opinion is on the back end of his career and when you can get a top 5 prospect in marte you do the deal. and the red sox werent gonna overpay to get overbay who is not worth giving up top prospects that the brewers would have requested. the red sox were never gonna give damon 52 million as that is an overpay. i have full faith in this front office as this team is gonna have flexibility and get younger at the same time.

[MANNYHOF24]

why is 3 millon more a year an over pay. The Sox can afford, they own Nesn for Gods Sake, they chrage 70 bucks to get into a game, dont bring Money into this, thats retarted, also What makes you think Lorreta will be an upgrade to Tony G. he hit .319 for us down the strech, and why mess with something good... Mirabelli/Wake GOOD. I understand renteria i guess but im starting to think they should have at least given him another shot seeing as though they dont seem to have much of a back up plan in place, and only God knows where we are going to get a CF.

[RedSoxRooter]

If we bring Kevin Millar back, we'd have a 1b, backup LF/RF/DH.

 

FOR CHEAP!!!!!!!! :damon:

[jsinger121]

wake has done well in the past without mirabelli. i can remember he won 16 games in 1995 and 17 games in 1998 all without mirabelli. the red sox set johnny damon with a value and stuck to it. they dont value him as a 13 million dollar player. graffanino has never been a fulltime starter in his career while loretta has started in milwaukee and san diego. he was an allstar in 2004. graffanino has never been an allstar let alone a starter for an entire season.

[jimmycarter05]

If we bring Kevin Millar back, we'd have a 1b, backup LF/RF/DH.

 

FOR CHEAP!!!!!!!! :damon:

 

A backup DH?

[Soxfan1]

no way in hell we bring Millar back. I agree I hate this new Gm combo.

[Cityofchampions33]

why is 3 millon more a year an over pay. The Sox can afford, they own Nesn for Gods Sake, they chrage 70 bucks to get into a game, dont bring Money into this, thats retarted, also What makes you think Lorreta will be an upgrade to Tony G. he hit .319 for us down the strech, and why mess with something good... Mirabelli/Wake GOOD. I understand renteria i guess but im starting to think they should have at least given him another shot seeing as though they dont seem to have much of a back up plan in place, and only God knows where we are going to get a CF.

 

I actually just heard Luchhino and Jed talking about what happened on WEEI. They said they hadn't heard of the Yankees deal, or at least Damon didn't tell them. SO it really was all Johnny/Boras who wanetd to go to NY. I'm sure if the Sox had heard from Johnny that he had a 52 million dollar deal in place they might have macthed it.

[Beckett95]

anyone else feel like the Sox front office is more worried about winning in the future than now. The went out to get beckett, who is young only 25, when there were other pitchers available. They traded their starting SS for a young prospect, when they dont have anyone else who can fill in at SS. Theyre 2 possible CF replacements are both under 25.

 

"I would acknowledge this is a setback in terms of our short-term plans, but keep the faith," Lucchino said when asked what he would tell disappointed Red Sox fans. "We will redeploy this money intelligently. We will balance our long-term plans with our short-term needs and find players who will play for this team -- center field, shortstop -- that the fans can be proud of."

 

It really sounds to me like Lucchino doesnt think the Sox can be a World Series contender in 2006 and he is planing for more of the long term than short

[Cityofchampions33]

Well, in the deals he ahs pulled, you have to kind of think he must be. I mean Beckett is 25, Marte is a propect, and we can plug in papelbon, and soon many others.

[jsinger121]

they are building for the future. the sox needed to get younger and im happy they are. they have prospects like lester, hansen, delcarmen, pedroia, marte, ellsbury on the way. we won the world series already so their is no rush to win another one. i want to win as much as anyone but i want the long term success instead of a quick fix.

[Cityofchampions33]

Also theyre sticking with history, they realize that the Yankees had success in the 90's because of home-grown talent who only knew Yankee baseball and it's style, also they had played together and were used to each other (chemistry). If Papelbon, Lester, Marte, Delcarmen, Hansen, Ellisbury all come up and play together for a few years, we will have that chemistry and players who know what is expected out of them. Meanwhile the Yankees can only buy spare parts who are all 30+ and giving up all their draft picks, etc.

[jsinger121]

i would rather build a homegrown team that has chemistry than buy a team of stars like the yankees have done recently. all they have are mercenaries that take the all mighty yankee dollar and have not won anything.

[yankeessuck013]

Here we go. Another guy venting his anger on the Front office. Sigh.

[schillingouttheks]

why is 3 millon more a year an over pay. The Sox can afford, they own Nesn for Gods Sake, they chrage 70 bucks to get into a game, dont bring Money into this, thats retarted, also What makes you think Lorreta will be an upgrade to Tony G. he hit .319 for us down the strech, and why mess with something good... Mirabelli/Wake GOOD. I understand renteria i guess but im starting to think they should have at least given him another shot seeing as though they dont seem to have much of a back up plan in place, and only God knows where we are going to get a CF.

Sure the Sox can afford it, we can afford almost anything. But we don't match offers like that because we HAVE a future, and because we're not about to become the Yankees. As simple as that. 3mill/yr totals to AN EXTRA 12 MILLION DOLLARS. It's not like we're JUST SPENDING 3, it's 12, total. This money could be saved for future studs for the Sox that would sign for cheap.

[jsinger121]

i agree. i dont want the sox to become an aging team like the yankees that have too many guys locked up in big contracts. i want to have money to lock up young players like lester, papelbon, marte, and others when hopefully they become great players and are the cornerstone of the franchise for the future.

[castigs850]

anyone else feel like the Sox front office is more worried about winning in the future than now. The went out to get beckett, who is young only 25, when there were other pitchers available. They traded their starting SS for a young prospect, when they dont have anyone else who can fill in at SS. Theyre 2 possible CF replacements are both under 25.

 

 

 

It really sounds to me like Lucchino doesnt think the Sox can be a World Series contender in 2006 and he is planing for more of the long term than short

 

well it really isnt like long term means like three to five years in this case most the kids we have could probably come up this year if we really needed them to and will probably be good players in 2007 so if we fill a few wholes with cheap players with all the guys we already have we could make things interesting down the stretch and i have no problem with that

[Cityofchampions33]

It's good to be a Red Sox Minor league Manager

[yankeessuck013]

The went out to get beckett, who is young only 25, when there were other pitchers available.

 

because there were no other pitchers on the FA Market as good as beckett.

[a700hitter]

Sure the Sox can afford it, we can afford almost anything. But we don't match offers like that because we HAVE a future, and because we're not about to become the Yankees.

 

The Sox are a premier franchise with tremendous resources. They are not a small market team that needs to play Moneyball. They have built a high-priced team with a ton of talent. After the Beckett deal, they were probably a tweak or two away from being a very serious contender for another Championship, and they let it slip away. When you have a Championship quality team, you have to pay a premium to give it the finishing touches. Losing Damon to the Yanks is the equivalent of letting a ground ball go through your legs. It was a major error. The FO lost control of the situation and that is inexcusable. If they can't pull it together and recover by April, heads should roll.

[riverside sluggers]

people lets realize the roster that is set right now, wont be the roster on opening day

[jsinger121]

The office wants to be fiscally responsible. they dont want to get locked into big contracts to players in their 30's. to them giving damon 52 million is not smart business and i am in agreement with them. damon has taken a beating the last 2 yrs. he is 32. he has no arm. i did not see other teams other than the yankees banging down his door for his services. the red sox would rather build a team through the farm system that allows them to control their players for a while.

[a700hitter]

The office wants to be fiscally responsible..

 

Championships are very profitable. When you have a chance to make a serious run for the ring, you have to take it. We should realize that these opportunities are rare. Most teams know from now that they have no chance in the upcoming season. It seems a little pennywise but pound foolish to have a payroll of $120+ million but to lose your CF to your chief rival for what probably amounts to 1 or 2 million a year for 4 years.

[jsinger121]

actually it is 3 million a yr times 4 with equals 12. that money can go to other uses. i commend the red sox for holding ground and not going above what the yankees offered because if they did they would have regretted it. championships are not always profitable. ask the florida marlins when they won in 1997. they ended up losing money that season. they ended up breaking the team up shortly there after

[Sox Fan on Cape]

people lets realize the roster that is set right now, wont be the roster on opening day

Exactly, spring traning, opening day, post trade deadline, expanded rosters, post season, these are all target dates on a critical path schedule to reach the World Series. Simply put, a series of evaluations and adjustments to reach and win the World Series.

[a700hitter]

championships are not always profitable. ask the florida marlins when they won in 1997. they ended up losing money that season. they ended up breaking the team up shortly there after

 

I don't think the Marlins can be compared with the Red Sox franchise. The Red Sox probably have more fans living in Florida than the Marlins. The problem is that Florida does not have the economic base that the Sox have built for decades. As far as holding the line on $12 Million, I can't believe that the Sox were not willing to move off the $40 million offer. Even so, $3 million is a very small percentage of 120+. Maybe the FO can recover from this and put together a strong team, but their work is cut out for them. They slipped up on Damon. They got outmanuevered and didn't even get the chance to put their final offer on the table. The Yanks bluffed Boras and it worked.

[jsinger121]

im not surprised the red sox didnt move. hes not a 13 million dollar a yr player and the red sox know that. hes a career .290 hitter. he will not have the wall next yr at yankee stadium to punch hits off of. those balls that were hit off the wall last yr will be fly outs at yankee stadium. the red sox will use some of this savings on damon on hopefully international scouting, the amueter draft, and the farm system.

[a700hitter]

the red sox will use some of this savings on damon on hopefully international scouting, the amueter draft, and the farm system.

 

I agree, but I hope they remember to put a little bit towards a SS and CF. I live behind enemy lines, and my spring, summer and fall will be miserable if the Yankees are cleaning or clocks.

[jsinger121]

I feel for you living behind enemy lines. its going to be ok. the red sox will be reeping the benefits of a farm system in the next few yrs while the yankees will all be filing for social security and medicare.

[a700hitter]

the red sox will be reeping the benefits of a farm system in the next few yrs while the yankees will all be filing for social security and medicare.

 

I really thought that the aging process would catch up with the Yanks this past year, but they may have fought off the grim reaper for another year by landing Damon. Their precipitous decline is two years overdue as far as I am concerned. Once it crumbles it will be a calamity. I will really enjoy it.