Jon Garland on the Block?

[yankeessuck013]

Garland on way out?

Dec 15 - Jon Garland is a near lock to be traded, the Daily Herald reports. White Sox GM Kenny Williams would neither confirm nor deny such a move, but the Sox reportedly want at least two quality pitching prospects for the right-hander.

 

Garland, who is eligible for free agency after the 2006 season, has already turned down a three-year offer from the White Sox and is determined to test the open market, according to a source.

 

Garland is expecting a significant raise after making $3.4 million in 2005.

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Would this be a possiblity? I know we have lots of pitching, but this guy's got good stuff.. Opinions?

[Cityofchampions33]

Garland on way out?

Dec 15 - Jon Garland is a near lock to be traded, the Daily Herald reports. White Sox GM Kenny Williams would neither confirm nor deny such a move, but the Sox reportedly want at least two quality pitching prospects for the right-hander.

 

Garland, who is eligible for free agency after the 2006 season, has already turned down a three-year offer from the White Sox and is determined to test the open market, according to a source.

 

Garland is expecting a significant raise after making $3.4 million in 2005.

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Would this be a possiblity? I know we have lots of pitching, but this guy's got good stuff.. Opinions?

 

I dont see how we could make this deal happen,e specially for 2 picthing porpects, and of course lester would have to be involved. ALso I'm not completely sold on Garland at all, then again i could be wrong. However I do not think Garland is worth Lester and another pitcher.

[jimmycarter05]

No this is exactly like the Barry Zito dilemma, because he'll get we he wants because there are alot of other teams interest in him, and besides we'd have to give up way to much on a guy that's had 1 great season.

[JimBrown32]

He's overrated, one of the most overrated in the game, just because he started out 13-2. OVERRATED!!!

[ORS]

Garland drastically improved his BB/9 rate last year. In fact, there has been a steady progression since his debut. With his stuff, the improved control is good reason to believe last year was no fluke. Especially since his BABIP has been fairly constant the last three years (.270, .277, .272). He won't dominate games because he's not a strikeout pitcher, but if he can limit the free passes, then last year's performance could become the norm for him.

[Cityofchampions33]

Garland drastically improved his BB/9 rate last year. In fact, there has been a steady progression since his debut. With his stuff, the improved control is good reason to believe last year was no fluke. Especially since his BABIP has been fairly constant the last three years (.270, .277, .272). He won't dominate games because he's not a strikeout pitcher, but if he can limit the free passes, then last year's performance could become the norm for him.

 

would you trade lester and someone else for him?

[Soxfan1]

Not a chance. Maybe Alvarez and someone else but that's all. (arroyo?)

[Beckett95]

not lester. Maybe Youk and someone else though. He was 4th in the AL in WHIP and 4th in groundouts. He also let up only 3 SB all year and had 6 CS. hes only had one good season though. In 04 and 03 he had 75 walks and 02 he had 83. Last year he got it down to 47,which is pretty good. I would take a look at him, see what theyd be interested in return, but i probaly wouldnt give up a Lester or Pedroia for him.

[ORS]

would you trade lester and someone else for him?

No, because I think Lester's ceiling is pretty high. He and Garland have fairly similar H/9, BB/9, and HR/9 rates at the same levels in the minors, but Lester has a siginificantly better K/9 rate. Plus Lester is a lefty. Garland is good, but Lester should land a bigger fish.

 

EDIT: My post defending Garland was mainly for those calling him a fluke or overrated, not to endorse any deal involving Lester.

[Soxfan1]

If Garland is on the block he could be involved in a deal with the rangers.

 

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/

[Beckett95]

i would guess Nixon could be included and probaly someone else (probaly a young pitcher)

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Can't say I'm real interested in Garland. He is a good pitcher but I think what we saw from him last year is his limit. He won't be any better than he was in 2005 although he could repeat that success. Jon Garland falls into the Matt Clement class for me.....can be good at times...will really suffer other times.

[JimBrown32]

Garland drastically improved his BB/9 rate last year. In fact, there has been a steady progression since his debut. With his stuff, the improved control is good reason to believe last year was no fluke. Especially since his BABIP has been fairly constant the last three years (.270, .277, .272). He won't dominate games because he's not a strikeout pitcher, but if he can limit the free passes, then last year's performance could become the norm for him.

 

It was, he's always had control problems, toward the end they came back to haunt him, that's not going to be the norm for him dude, he seriously fluked. Garland would be in the minor leagues for teams like the Twins, or possibly the bullpen, his control is terrible. One time I saw him plunk like 2 batters in a row like three times.

[ahhchon]

Garland drastically improved his BB/9 rate last year. In fact, there has been a steady progression since his debut. With his stuff, the improved control is good reason to believe last year was no fluke. Especially since his BABIP has been fairly constant the last three years (.270, .277, .272). He won't dominate games because he's not a strikeout pitcher, but if he can limit the free passes, then last year's performance could become the norm for him.

 

yeah, and he picked the worst year to do it. i drafted him 2 years in a row hoping he would finally break out. he waited until the year i didn't. garland is not an elite pitcher but should be able to put up half decent numbers, he's still on the young side and can still improve. overrated? yes, if you think he's an elite. fluke, no.

 

john

[ORS]

It was, he's always had control problems, toward the end they came back to haunt him, that's not going to be the norm for him dude, he seriously fluked. Garland would be in the minor leagues for teams like the Twins, or possibly the bullpen, his control is terrible. One time I saw him plunk like 2 batters in a row like three times.

You'd put Kyle Lohse and Joe Mays in the rotation instead of Jon Garland? Can you do me a favor and try to go work for the Yankees please.

 

What do these numbers represent and what do they suggest?

 

5.17, 4.23, 3.88, 3.47, 3.15, 1.91

 

They are Garland's walk rates from 2000-2005, in order. They show a steady improvement in command, and he's still young enough to continue the improvement. Saying, "his control is terrible", may have been true at some point, but this trend suggests that it is most likely a thing of the past.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

You'd put Kyle Lohse and Joe Mays in the rotation instead of Jon Garland? Can you do me a favor and try to go work for the Yankees please.

 

What do these numbers represent and what do they suggest?

 

5.17, 4.23, 3.88, 3.47, 3.15, 1.91

 

They are Garland's walk rates from 2000-2005, in order. They show a steady improvement in command, and he's still young enough to continue the improvement. Saying, "his control is terrible", may have been true at some point, but this trend suggests that it is most likely a thing of the past.

 

I agree I won't say he is terrible. However, I still don't think his stuff is that great. If he can keep his good command its still possible batters start to figure him out more. When he needs to adjust again it could be a problem for him. I could be completely off with him and its possible this guy really can pitch. He did kick the crap out of us.

[bighurt]

I'm a White Sox fan, and I think Garland is going to be a real good pitcher for a long time. His problem in year's past had been one big inning (usually involving walks). He pitch lights out for 6 out of 7 innings, but that one inning would kill him. I think the "walks trending downward" thing is a sign of the future, not a fluke. He's been around a few years, but he's still young. I think you'd like him. I'm not sure why we don't hang on to him, in fact. I'd be more inclined to let Contreras leave, but I think Kenny fears that Garland is going to want to break the bank.

[Cityofchampions33]

To me he isnt worth anything more than Youk and Alvarez, but he isn't worth any top spect. I wouldnt mind getting him for Youk and Abe, then we could pull the Clement-Reed deal to use him as a 4th OF and more in the future, I wouldn't mind seeing him in RF ir Nixon gets injured again.

[ksushi]

I don't see the sox making this move at all, like someone said earlier in the thread the sox would have to include lester. If they wouldn't include him in the beckett deal, why would they decide to include him in a deal for john garland?

[Beckett95]

The sox should try to get Daisuke Matsuzaka from Japan. The guy is 25 and throws a 98 mph Fastball with a 90 mph "gyroball". If he ever comes to the US, id love to have this guy. Hes also a workhorse as in one game in highschool he threw 250+ pitches in 17 innings. He also pitched 10 innings in his first game out of highschool for Japans Oylmpic Team. He hasnt had any injury problems in the Japanese league so far

 

rotoauthority listed him as the 2nd best FA this year behind Clemens. He probaly wont be coming to America for atleast a couple more years

 

hes also playing in the World Baseball Classic