Who do we keep, who do we trade ?

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Who are we willing to trade ? I've heard Kelly Shop. Youk, Alerverez, Clement. Is there more ? Stern, Pedroia, etc. ?

[Manny Goes Boom]

It'll be interesting to see who we DO trade, and what we get for them. Theo should pull the right strings.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

It'll be interesting to see who we DO trade, and what we get for them. Theo should pull the right strings.

But who are you willing to trade ?

[MANNYHOF24]

We keep Papelbon Hasen Delcarmen Ramirez Pedrioa, every one eles anyone eles is expendable in my view, unless i am missing some one obvious

[MANNYHOF24]

Pedrioa is only expendable only if we sign Nomar and Move Rents to second

 

(Only wish full thinking)

[Manny Goes Boom]

Oh you want our personal trades?

 

I agree with MANNYHOF24,

 

Keep: Papelbon, Hansen, Delcarmen, Ramirez, and Pedroia. Others could be traded to fill holes in like 1B, and our pitching with veterans.

[ORS]

We keep Papelbon Hasen Delcarmen Ramirez Pedrioa, every one eles anyone eles is expendable in my view, unless i am missing some one obvious

Jon Lester. I'd add Anibal Sanchez too, but he could be dealt. It depends on whether or not the FO is concerned about durability. If his arm will hold up, he's got big league stuff.

[MANNYHOF24]

Jon Lester. I'd add Anibal Sanchez too, but he could be dealt. It depends on whether or not the FO is concerned about durability. If his arm will hold up, he's got big league stuff.

 

John Lester, right! how could i forget that one! stupid mistake

[Sox Fan on Cape]

Jon Lester. I'd add Anibal Sanchez too, but he could be dealt. It depends on whether or not the FO is concerned about durability. If his arm will hold up, he's got big league stuff.

Agreed, we really don't want to give up pitching, but the old saying of trade high, buy low applies to both ptching and position players. Once its been determined that a player can't cut it in the majors, they're trade value has been seriously been diminished.

[riverside sluggers]

Adam Stern can't be dealt just yet, as part of being a rule 5 draft player, he must play at least 90 days with the Red Sox. He appeared in 36 games in his debut season in the MLB, so I expect to see him back as the 4th outfielder this spring

 

untouchables: Jon Lester, Anibel Sanchez (could be dealt), Hanley Ramirez, Dustin Pedroia, Brandon Moss (could be in line to take right field in 2007 if sox let Trot walk that season), Craig Hansen, Manny DelCarmen (perfect guy to fill in Timlin's shoes), Clay Bucholz, Jacoby Ellisbury (great possibility of future center fielder)

[ksushi]

I would keep lester and sanchez no matter what. I really like our prospects, but i would deal ramirez, not pedroia though, he is to close to the bigs. Keep papelbon, Hansen, Delcarmen, Youk, Lester, Sanchez, and trade Moss, Murphy, Ramierez or Shoppach.

 

I don't think we will sign nomar, nor should we, hes was great but he doesnt have the durability to be healthy through a whole season. So, whatever, no big deal. Pedroia is a guy who the sox should not let get away, or he will become another David Eckstein. Think the sox don't want Eckstein back?

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

This is how I see it....

 

Clearly pitching is the key to victories and its the one area the Red Sox have always had issues. It is not easy to add ace caliber pitching if you look at most teams they develop these guys. You deffinitly see more Johan Santana, Roy Halladay, Barry Zito, Mark Prior guys come up through the system rather than a young Miguel Cabrera and Albert Pujols. Power hitters are uncommon and typically skill position players develop while in the league and see more pitchers in the MLB. They continue to grow and normally peak at the ages of 27-31 right when they are hitting there prime.

 

You see more of those guys hit free agency and they are a little on the easier side to trade for. My guess is Theo has a vision of packing the farm system with pitching. Then you can also look at the free agent pitchers lately....last season the top free agent pitcher was Carl Pavano...this year its AJ Burnett.....this is not anything to go crazy over. I can see Theo trying to fix the pitching of the Red Sox through the farm system and adding skill position players through free agency.

 

That being said...down the road I'm seeing Jon Lester and Jonathan Papelbon being a sick 1-2 combo. Both have great stuff and one being a lefty the other being a righty. Anibal Sanchez took huge strides this year and between Buccholz and Bowden...they have a chance to really do something. Meanwhile Craig Hansen is going to be one hell of a closer down the road. He already showed glimpses of it this season while having a tired arm. Just imagine when he gets that slider working and possibly develops another pitch.

 

If you can trade anyone I would say Hanley, Pedroia, Moss, etc....you can find skill position players in free agency and up for trades.

[jimmycarter05]

This is how I see it....

 

Clearly pitching is the key to victories and its the one area the Red Sox have always had issues. It is not easy to add ace caliber pitching if you look at most teams they develop these guys. You deffinitly see more Johan Santana, Roy Halladay, Barry Zito, Mark Prior guys come up through the system rather than a young Miguel Cabrera and Albert Pujols. Power hitters are uncommon and typically skill position players develop while in the league and see more pitchers in the MLB. They continue to grow and normally peak at the ages of 27-31 right when they are hitting there prime.

 

You see more of those guys hit free agency and they are a little on the easier side to trade for. My guess is Theo has a vision of packing the farm system with pitching. Then you can also look at the free agent pitchers lately....last season the top free agent pitcher was Carl Pavano...this year its AJ Burnett.....this is not anything to go crazy over. I can see Theo trying to fix the pitching of the Red Sox through the farm system and adding skill position players through free agency.

 

That being said...down the road I'm seeing Jon Lester and Jonathan Papelbon being a sick 1-2 combo. Both have great stuff and one being a lefty the other being a righty. Anibal Sanchez took huge strides this year and between Buccholz and Bowden...they have a chance to really do something. Meanwhile Craig Hansen is going to be one hell of a closer down the road. He already showed glimpses of it this season while having a tired arm. Just imagine when he gets that slider working and possibly develops another pitch.

 

If you can trade anyone I would say Hanley, Pedroia, Moss, etc....you can find skill position players in free agency and up for trades.

 

 

yes i agree...we have great young pitchers in our farm system....i think any pitcher theo goes after should at most only be a one-year deal, with a one year team option while our young guys get ready..i predict all of our young pitchers will be ready anywhere from the 2nd part of next season to the 1st part of the 2007 season...we have great pitching on the way...theres no reason to go out a sign any pitcher to a long term deal

[ClayBuchholzIsDaFuture]

KEEP:

 

Papelbon

Lester

Sanchez

H.Ramirez

Pedroia

Hansen

Delcarmen

Ellsbury

Lowrie

Buchholz

Soto

Pinckney

Bowden

Mota

Corsaletti

Doubront

Egan

Moss

Murphy

 

TRADE:

Alvarez

Meredith

Shoppach

Zink

Machado

Pauley

[ORS]

I think we need to hold on to Zink at least one more year to see what he's got. He learned a new grip for his knuckler at the end of last year, and his stats turned around dramatically. Rob Neyer claims only Phil Neikro, Tim Wakefield, and Charlie Zink had this good a knuckleball by the time they were 24.

[CrespoBlows]

KEEP:

 

Papelbon

Lester

Sanchez

H.Ramirez

Pedroia

Hansen

Delcarmen

Ellsbury

Lowrie

Buchholz

Soto

Pinckney

Bowden

Mota

Corsaletti

Doubront

Egan

Moss

Murphy

 

TRADE:

Alvarez

Meredith

Shoppach

Zink

Machado

Pauley

 

How do you justify that? Alvarez is 22 years old and he's already pitching in Pawtucket. He's a good young lefthander, he'll be a solid addition to the bullpen in '07.

 

Meredith has no trade value, but he's tough on righties and deserves to stay.

 

Shoppach would be a good backup to Varitek, if we can get rid of Mirabelli.

 

We'd probably get a used condom for Zink, so he's staying.

 

Machado will be the utlity infielder next year, so he stays.

 

Pauley had a pretty good year last year, his K/9 was 6, and his ERA was in the mid three's.

[ORS]

Meredith, Alvarez, Zink, and Pauley's value would be maximized if they were used as supplements to a package deal, so in that scenario any of them could go. I agree with the sentiment that none of them would be useful as the centerpiece of a trade.

 

As far as Alvarez goes, we have two of the same thing with him and DiNardo. Both are soft-tossing lefties. I'd be surprised if both make it through the trade season before spring training.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

I still don't understand why we got rid J. Gonzalas.

[riverside sluggers]

I still don't understand why we got rid J. Gonzalas.

 

no doubt he had some good outings but still that couldnt do anything to help his 6.18 ERA. Also his role in the bullpen was the long reliever. In 2006 it will be either Papelbon or most likely DiNardo who had impressed the Sox F.O. with his September call-up, 1 ER in 13.1 innings (0.69 ERA)

[ksushi]

Yeah I think Dinardo will be with the big club full time next season. Papelbon will start so that makes Lenny the long relief man.

 

I think Alvarez can be useful, but why keep shoppach over mirabelli? There is nothing wrong with Mirabelli. Hes a great guy to have go every five days and excellent club house guy. Trade shoppach you can get more for him.

[ClayBuchholzIsDaFuture]

How do you justify that? Alvarez is 22 years old and he's already pitching in Pawtucket. He's a good young lefthander, he'll be a solid addition to the bullpen in '07.

 

Meredith has no trade value, but he's tough on righties and deserves to stay.

 

Shoppach would be a good backup to Varitek, if we can get rid of Mirabelli.

 

We'd probably get a used condom for Zink, so he's staying.

 

Machado will be the utlity infielder next year, so he stays.

 

Pauley had a pretty good year last year, his K/9 was 6, and his ERA was in the mid three's.

Should've said " IMO, he was a waste of a 2nd rd pick" , my fault.

[MC Hammer]

I think Alvarez can be useful, but why keep shoppach over mirabelli? There is nothing wrong with Mirabelli. Hes a great guy to have go every five days and excellent club house guy. Trade shoppach you can get more for him.

I guess age is the only reason you'd keep Kelly over Doug.

[ksushi]

But thats also why you trade him. Is shoppach ever going to play catcher here full time? No. Is mirabelli a bad back up? Certainly not. Don't fix what isn't broken, I think you trade the young kid over the old man. Mirabelli has about the same trade value as ted williams and hes in an ice cube tray somewhere, but Mirabelli is a good back up guy to have. Shoppach could be a good chip to throw in a deal to make some team happy enough to trade us Huff if we send the right guys to go along with him. Like an arroyo shoppach and somebody deal for huff, something along those lines.

[ORS]

Is shoppach ever going to play catcher here full time? No.

That is absolutely wrong. Kelly will be 29 when Tek is 36 and his contract runs out. Kelly, if kept, would most certainly be next starting catcher for the Sox.

[riverside sluggers]

if mirabelli didnt do such a better ass job than varitek at catching and working with wakefield, id say trade mirabelli and bring up shoppach as the backup.

[ORS]

if mirabelli didnt do such a better ass job than varitek at catching and working with wakefield, id say trade mirabelli and bring up shoppach as the backup.

We must agree to disagree there. I don't think it makes good managment sense to alter the direction of the club's future in order to make sure a late 30's knuckleballer is marginally more effective. I say let Shopp catch Wake. Kelly's rated very high defensively, and is regarded as someone who will be very good at handling a pitching staff. Besides, how hard can it be to call for the knuckleball 5 out of 6 times?

[riverside sluggers]

Besides, how hard can it be to call for the knuckleball 5 out of 6 times?

 

tell that to varitek

[ksushi]

It isn't hard to call its very hard to catch, so you trade kelly and keep mirabelli because that is the good baseball move. It just is, fall out of puppy love with your boy kelly and look at whats best for the organization. What would other teams like in a trade? Young catcher with high ceiling (that we wont ever use) or fat old guy who has spent the last three years only playing every five days ( but does the job we need him to do). You can't just waste shoppachs value by keeping him in a backup role for the next three years, thats a waste. you move him and keep the useful but fat old guy.

[ORS]

It isn't hard to call its very hard to catch, so you trade kelly and keep mirabelli because that is the good baseball move. It just is, fall out of puppy love with your boy kelly and look at whats best for the organization. What would other teams like in a trade? Young catcher with high ceiling (that we wont ever use) or fat old guy who has spent the last three years only playing every five days ( but does the job we need him to do). You can't just waste shoppachs value by keeping him in a backup role for the next three years, thats a waste. you move him and keep the useful but fat old guy.

Puppy love? Get over yourself.

 

I am looking at what is good for the organization. I see the value of dealing him now, but that scenario is shortsighted. I think a good basball move can be made with an eye on the not so immediate future as well.

 

Either way the FO handles it will be good for the team. If they deal him, we'll fill a hole that we have right now. If they hang on to him, barring injury, we won't have to worry about finding a catcher in the future.

 

I am of the opinion that it is easier to find a decent 1B than it is to find a slugging catcher that has good defensive skills.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

I am of the opinion that it is easier to find a decent 1B than it is to find a slugging catcher that has good defensive skills.

 

That's a fact. How many " 1st baseman / DH " have the Sox had in recent years ? There American League is full of them. First base is where players that still have a bat, but have leg or shoulder problems go before becoming a fill time DH.