Free Fall

[sarasoxfan]

I am feeling doomy and gloomy...

a team wide (except DO) slump

horrendous bullpen still

 

foulke horrible and an ******* to boot.

 

for all the blather in here about our great schedule we keep losing and the yankees keeping winning.

 

bad managing.

 

fielding like little leaguers on crack.

 

we need to step it up.

 

and soon.

[mosox]

This schedule is not good one. These four games against Oakland are tough and could very well knock the Sox out of first by Sunday. All the problems with this club are getting bigger. Damon playing hurt is the newest problem. It's too late for any miracle trades and Hansen will not be here to save the day. This team just has to gut it out and start playing with some urgency.

[sarasoxfan]

thats a good point, a very good point.

and while I struggle with fending off panic I think we need some..

urgency, and that is a problem I have with terry, and I am not bashing him, but I havent seent that type of managing or line-ups that have a september pennant race feel to them, as opposed to some game in May. The yankee series was a good example, they played it like a playoff series and we played it like it was against royals, and that worries me.

[MrJimH]

It doesn't take a brain surgeon to know that if you want to play with the big boys during a pennant race, you have to put your best team on the field every night. Trying to keep everyone happy on the bench at this stage in the season seems a bit out of place. The Yankees have to love Tito's decisions lately that have allowed them to get back into the race. Come on BoSox..........it's all there for the taking.........and it's time to show the Red Sox Nation what you're made of...........PLEASE!

[Sizzlin22]

I am feeling doomy and gloomy...

a team wide (except DO) slump

horrendous bullpen still

 

foulke horrible and an ******* to boot.

 

for all the blather in here about our great schedule we keep losing and the yankees keeping winning.

 

JimH, stop bolding your posts, it's annoying as hell.

 

bad managing.

 

fielding like little leaguers on crack.

 

we need to step it up.

 

and soon.

Aren't you always like this? It's hard to remmeber a time you were ever posotive about the Sox.

 

JimH please stop bolding your posts, it's annoying as hell.

[sarasoxfan]

realism ,negativity and being positive often can be confused.

I generally think we have a good club, but I am not delusional--this team has some problems -- it is flawed.

 

typical talksox, insult the post-er and not talk about the post.

 

I hope we get it going..that's all.

[joe]

I am feeling doomy and gloomy...

a team wide (except DO)

 

bad managing.

fielding like little leaguers on crack.

we need to step it up. and soon.

 

 

I have seen another similar post by Riverside Sluggers about RS slump in September, but I really believe that this is the best time to be in a slump. Slumps are cyclic, and you do not want your team to have a very good September only to slump in October. I believe once they get out of it, they might have a super October.

I’ll start worrying about the RS slump if they don’t get out of it sometime late next week.

[sarasoxfan]

yankees are surging, we're slumping, which is not to say we wont turn it around--

WHY IS BEING CONCERNED BEING NEGATIVE.

[Ray10]

Yanks are right on there ass they need to smartin up very soon. Or else they will find themselves battiling for the Wild Card not somewhere I wanna see them I know that much.

[fuckery]

quit hating on your own damn team!!! real bunch of pessimists in here.

 

we are still world champs.

[MrJimH]

Sizzlin22..............I have to agree with some of the responses to your post citing concern about bashing our Sox. Give me a break.....when has expression of someone's concern been categorized as bashing? If you're a true Red Sox fan........there's plenty of reason to be "concerned" about how they are currently playing. October isn't that far off and with the Yankees turning on the pressure, I'm concerned as hell. I believe these sites are designed for folks to express their views. If you don't like what you see, don't reply and if my bolding my comments annoyes you.......all I can say is get over it......I don't tell you how to write your posts......don't tell me how to do mine! If you don't like it.......don't read them.

[BronxBomber61]

yankees are surging, we're slumping, which is not to say we wont turn it around--

WHY IS BEING CONCERNED BEING NEGATIVE.

 

You still have the most dangerous lineup in Baseball. I won’t be optimistic until the Yankees go in to Fenway on the 30th up by 4 games.

[riverside sluggers]

this "freefall" is just mostly moreso this rare offensive slump the red sox have then the pitching

[mosox]

we are still world champs.

 

And it's time they started playing like champs. No more whinning about getting days off or making excuses. No more dropped balls and leaving men on base, no more crappy bullpen pitching and then they'll be no more complaining. Start playing ball.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

You're responding to a fictional (banned person- 3 times). Do you think that they're playing this way because they want to ?

[mosox]

No I don't think they're playing that way on purpose. But I look at guys like Rent, and he looks like he'd rather be somewhere else. I see Manny strike out and twirl his bat. I see Tek swinging at first pitches. I would like to see some fire and intensity. Schilling showed some last night, and he seems like the only one.

[Cityofchampions33]

This month so far we're averaging 4.2 runs per game, and have been shut out twice so far. We seem to only be winning when Ortiz hits a dramatic HR or our SP shuts down the opposition. I'm concerned with Rent and Varitek, and they're slumps also. However it's more that the Yanks killed the Rays as they should, and now face the O's and Blue Jays the rest of the way, before comin to fenway. Hopefully the Jays will pick it up against the Yanks unlike they have so far this season, and they are 4-6 against Baltimore, though they're 2-1 against 'em since the O's freefall. I think we start goin on a run if Wake wins tonight. he always seems to pick us up when we're down, like with that win against the Cubs for example.

[MANNYHOF24]

No I don't think they're playing that way on purpose. But I look at guys like Rent, and he looks like he'd rather be somewhere else. I see Manny strike out and twirl his bat. I see Tek swinging at first pitches. I would like to see some fire and intensity. Schilling showed some last night, and he seems like the only one.

 

Your right this team needs to play with more passion, that is what carried this team through the postseason last year, the big question is, did the championship bring on a sense of complacancy that tells them they have allready have won, so whats the big deal if we dont win again. Im not saying thats the case but that would be sad if some of the players felt that way.

[Pinstripe_Pride]

I am feeling doomy and gloomy...

a team wide (except DO) slump

horrendous bullpen still

 

foulke horrible and an ******* to boot.

 

for all the blather in here about our great schedule we keep losing and the yankees keeping winning.

 

bad managing.

 

fielding like little leaguers on crack.

 

we need to step it up.

 

and soon.

 

now that's gotta be one of my favorite posts

little leaguers on crack

 

and i wouldn't necessarily call sweeping the D-Rays surging, but it's certainly a welcome improvement :thumbsup:

[MC Hammer]

Time out. Free fall? ... How the f*** are we on a free fall? Have you people not seen our lead change between 1 and 5 games several times now, and we retained first place for all but 24 hours. CALM DOWN ... please. This month we're 8-8, and I'd say as a hole we haven't been very good at all. If we can stay .500 while slumping then the second we break out of it we win the division.

[ORS]

I agree MC, the division is our's once they break out of it. But, the thing is, they are still stuck in it and the Yankees have won 5 in row. If we continue to play .500 ball while they go a hot streak, then sarasoxfan is right, we are in a free fall.

[MC Hammer]

A free fall is when you go from the highest point, and begin falling back to earth. The ChiSox are a perfect example of what a free fall is. Going from a 4 game to a 1.5 game lead is hardly a free fall. Playing .500 ball is hardly a free fall.

[ORS]

A free fall is when you go from the highest point, and begin falling back to earth. The ChiSox are a perfect example of what a free fall is. Going from a 4 game to a 1.5 game lead is hardly a free fall. Playing .500 ball is hardly a free fall.

On August 17 the CWS were 74-44 (30 games over .500) and had an 11 game lead. On September 17 they are 89-58 (31 games over .500) and have a 4 game lead. They went 15-14, which is .517 ball. If you shrink the time period to one week, then their situation is exactly like ours. How is it that they are in free-fall and we are not?

[CrespoBlows]

On August 17 the CWS were 74-44 (30 games over .500) and had an 11 game lead. On September 17 they are 89-58 (31 games over .500) and have a 4 game lead. They went 15-14, which is .517 ball. If you shrink the time period to one week, then their situation is exactly like ours. How is it that they are in free-fall and we are not?

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/standings/index.jsp?ymd=20050719

 

The White Sox went from fifteen up of the Guardians and fell to only 4.5 in front.

 

As of that date, the were 62-30, (Winning Percentage .678), it fell 73 points, and they have played below 500, for the last several months. That is a free fall. A major slippage of ground, and winning percentage points

 

The Red Sox since, Sept. 1st, I'm picking this date, because really no one was panicking even when the Yankees fluctiated to 1.5 back, and back to 3. Back the point, the Red Sox have played .533 ball, going 8-7. That isn't a free fall. They've only ceded 1 1/2 games to the Yankees since the series ended.

[ORS]

The CWS were 32 games over .500 on July 19 and are 31 over on September 17. That means they have played 1 game under .500 for the past 2 months. Over that stretch they have played .491 ball, which I do admit it is under .500, but if they win tonight, then they have played .500 over a 2 month span.

 

He said that the CWS are in free-fall, but we are not because we are playing .500 baseball. Our two situations are identical if you look at a shorter time-span for Boston. We are both falling from the lead right now due to the teams chasing us playing so well.

 

Is this irreversible? No. Win tonight and they can't pass you. But when you look at the trends, we are "falling" with respect to the NYY/CLE.

 

EDIT: They lost to MIN today and are 27-29 since July 19, so I retract my statement. They are choking big time. Foot in mouth.

[CrespoBlows]

The CWS were 32 games over .500 on July 19 and are 31 over on September 17. That means they have played 1 game under .500 for the past 2 months. Over that stretch they have played .491 ball, which I do admit it is under .500, but if they win tonight, then they have played .500 over a 2 month span.

 

He said that the CWS are in free-fall, but we are not because we are playing .500 baseball. Our two situations are identical if you look at a shorter time-span for Boston. We are both falling from the lead right now due to the teams chasing us playing so well.

 

Is this irreversible? No. Win tonight and they can't pass you. But when you look at the trends, we are "falling" with respect to the NYY/CLE.

 

EDIT: They lost to MIN today and are 27-29 since July 19, so I retract my statement. They are choking big time. Foot in mouth.

 

15-4.5= 10.5

 

4-1.5= 2.5

 

Look at the difference.

[ORS]

Huge difference, but I think timeframe matters.

 

They lost 11 games on their lead (15 game lead on Aug. 1) in 47 days. Or, 0.23 games a day.

 

We lost 2.5 (4 up on 9/8, 1.5 up on 9/17) in 9 days. Or, 0.27 games a day.

 

If timeframe is considered, the rates are similar. That was my point. I should have made it clearer earlier.

[CrespoBlows]

Huge difference, but I think timeframe matters.

 

They lost 11 games on their lead (15 game lead on Aug. 1) in 47 days. Or, 0.23 games a day.

 

We lost 2.5 (4 up on 9/8, 1.5 up on 9/17) in 9 days. Or, 0.27 games a day.

 

If timeframe is considered, the rates are similar. That was my point. I should have made it clearer earlier.

 

Wow, I can't believe you think the Red Sox could blow a 15 game lead. C'mon, do you really believe the Yankees have a good enough pitching staff to take the lead in the division and hold onto it? The Red Sox will be fine, our bullpen will be OK. Timlin, Papelbon, Bradford, Myers, and then Hansen, when he gets up.

 

The starting rotation, on every time out, can give us a chance to win. Wells, Wakefield, Clement, Schilling, and Arroyo isn't great, but it is consistant. They should do enough to keep us in the game.

[ORS]

No, I certainly don't think the Sox would blow a 15 game lead, and I really like our chances to win the division. I was responding to all the posters that jump on sarasoxfan every time she pisses in their cornflakes with a dose of reality (her points about the team aren't that far off the mark in the first post). And while I don't share her pessimism, I hate it when people are attacked for not wearing rose colored glasses.

 

EDIT: The "Free Fall" title of the thread isn't totally illegitimate. Whether you fall off a chair (4 games) or fall off your house (15 games), you are still falling. Comparing us to the White Sox was MCH's move, and I just showed that if you look at more than the magnitude of the fall, then the two situations aren't totally dissimilar.

 

The next few days matter a lot. If the cold bats and shoddy defense continue, then this thread will gain some momentum. If they snap out of it, then the thread will become a memory.

[sarasoxfan]

my name's phil and I am not a chick, the last I looked!

I probably should have used the word slump as oppoesed to free fall, far be it from me to say anything on here that might piss off anyone...or get them angry..I hope that everyone can laugh about this and remind me how pessimistic I was--beleive me I dont want us to lose.

In talksox land, if you dont agree you're a traitor and not a real fan... you'll get a huge prize if you can change that narrow and immature mind set.

 

I think the delusional hate of the yankee from a lot of people on here creates a strange loss of touch with reality..plus, a lot of the people on here havent suffered as many sox fans have in past years--so they dont know what a fade feels like.

Anyway, I hope I'm wrong and that we keep winning.

 

Lats night the bats still were cold and walk off beaning doesnt make me feel any less concerned.

But hey--why rock the boat!