Would the real Kevin Millar please stand up?

[sarasoxfan]

he still sucks.

[SCM33]

"a single to get on base"..what other type of singles are there?

 

"he hit a ball to right field warning track (stop the presses) to get trot to right field.".now that is miracle and makes no sense.

"his ground rule double set up oleruds"? huh..I'll see your ground rule double anbd raise you a ground rule double.

 

two weeks at .300..... um how about .253 for august.

I wont argue this any more because no one changes their mind about this guy. Believe me I hope he contirbutes but in my mind its five months too late.

I hope we see more olerud.

 

 

You are probally the most negetive, ignorant person in the world.. And by the way, Olerud CANT PLAY EVERYDAY. Ask the Yankees last year, also ask the Mariners before they RELEASED the guy. Also, ask the Mariners if he shoulda played everyday during the 2003 season. I am not a fan of Kevin Millar at all, but you forced me to look up the statistics of the last two seasons which Olerud was a starting first baseman, and Kevin Millar this season.

 

Olerud 2004

Avg.259 OB.359 SLG.374 HR9 OPS .733

Olerud 2003

Avg..269 OB..372 SLG.390 HR10 OPS.761

 

MILLAR 2005

Avg. .275 OB.358 SLG .389 HR 7 OPS.748

 

How do those compare? Well pretty frigin similar if you ask me.

 

PS. I love how people who have never played competitive baseball think they can compare Millars 393 ABs to Oleruds 117 ABs. And if you knew a whole helluva lot about baseball youd know that a .253 batting average means nothing. Batting average is the most overrated stat in baseball. Rey Sanchez hit .286 for the sox one year, that makes him an allstar. Reggie Jefferson hit .347 one year, wow hes gunna be a hall of famer. Lee Tinsley and Darren Lewis both hit over .280 for a season. These guys are all time legends. Batting average is one of the most irrevelent statistics in baseball. Instead try going to the website in my signature and learn a little sabremetrics like IsoP, and RC and OPS and BsR....you know, stats that create runs and win ball games.

 

I dont like Kevin Millar, but to trash the guy the way you do and claim Olerud is that much better is just not true. Look at the numbers. And don't compare Oleruds 117 AB's to millars 393, that just makes you look stupid. Is Olerud a better player? He is very good sparingly and has done a great job, but if Olerud were the starting first baseman I think his numbers would be worse than Millars, just look at the decline over the last few years Olerud was a starting firstbaseman. WIth a heavy workload one could only expect that his numbers this season as a regular would only continue to decline. Numbers don't lie, neither does age and bad knees.

[sarasoxfan]

spare me the lecture...what is it about this site where criticism warrants being called fairweather or negative...it's like there is some strange self-appointed fan police system in place. You all would make wonderful republicans..if you criticize you're helping the enemy...if you're not down with the spin you're insane and a liberal whacko.

 

I know that millar is a bum, and whether its olerud, or pentagine, or youk...or the bat boy...IMO anyone would be better--so far.

That doesnt diminsh my love for the red sox..as for his average those those mealy singles, and pathetic RBI numbers just dont warrant his playing time but again, if he gets hot and stays hot I would be the happiest guy here..I'll eat his batting helmet...I dont care as long as we win.

 

PS: numbers can lie, and little eggheads like you can maniuplate them to say just about anything.

 

go sox!

[SCM33]

Egghead....haha, not quite sweetheart. Its just baseball knowledge from someone who played through college and took classes on baseball statistics for credits to fulfill my math requirements, if you must know. I would like to point out that you could not contribute anything to rebuttle ANY of the points that I made because in fact, what I said is true, and I backed it up with a little thought and research. Instead of calling someone names why not try to prove me wrong like an intelligent coherent person.

 

Some of the intelligence on this site does not come close to competing with some of the other forums out there, in fact they would have eaten you up and banned you by now with all the verbal bashing, one line comments, ridiculous statements you make just to get your post # up to 1500. You contribute nothing, then when you are proven wrong, you insult the person. Ive seen you do it over and over again. Its about time someone calls you out on it.

 

Have a nice day

[sarasoxfan]

sweetheart?

man, all of this over kevin millar.

apparently calling me the most "negetive" and ignorant person in the world isnt name calling?

are you familar with the word hypocrite?

I dont like kevin millar, so sue me.

wait a second, I hope you're not pre-law too?

[SCM33]

Actually Criminal Justice

 

With a double minor in Psychology/ Sociology

[sarasoxfan]

man, I'm f***ed..

 

go millar.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

If you're gonna compare apple to apples at least try and argue Olerud's production since joing the sox versus Millar's production this season. Thank you for providing irrelevant and useless information re: his tenure with his previous two teams. Neither factor into how he has helped this team this far. Yes, in a vacuum, statistically he (Olerud) hasn't been as consistent when he was an everyday player, but since when has he been an everyday player since joining the team. For that matter, what the hell has Millar done this season? If people are upset with him, its because he's playing a power position where his poor defense and speed can be covered up and despite a little consistent streak lately, he hasn't done jack s*** ALL YEAR!

 

You can't blame true fans for taking off the blinders and realizing that even platooning both of them at that position, Olerud has been more consistent.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

Actually Criminal Justice

 

With a double minor in Psychology/ Sociology

 

:clap: how nice for you, i wonder if anyone else cares??

 

...anyone???

[sarasoxfan]

in fairness, if you read the posts...I said hate kevin millar so sue me...and then made a joke (which I guess is a joke becasue I think its funny but apparently I am quite alone in that) about him being pre-law, which sadly he is.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

lol i know, i just thought it was a little smug of him to throw out the bit about the double minor.

[joe]

Egghead....haha, not quite sweetheart. Its just baseball knowledge from someone who played through college and took classes on baseball statistics for credits to fulfill my math requirements, if you must know. I would like to point out that you could not contribute anything to rebuttle ANY of the points that I made because in fact, what I said is true, and I backed it up with a little thought and research. Instead of calling someone names why not try to prove me wrong like an intelligent coherent person.

Have a nice day

 

I know your post was not addressed to me, but execuse me, you call the followings an "intelligent statistical research"?

Olerud 2004

Avg.259 OB.359 SLG.374 HR9 OPS .733

Olerud 2003

Avg..269 OB..372 SLG.390 HR10 OPS.761

 

MILLAR 2005

Avg. .275 OB.358 SLG .389 HR 7 OPS.748

 

 

I call the above a very poor, misleading and meaningless statistical crap!

You need to go back to school and take statistics101 again!!!

 

The 03 season was Olerud's worst in his 17 years career, and it had to do with injuries. His career stats would show you the real Olerud:

Olerud:Bat Ave=.296, OBP=.399

Millar:Bat Ave=.289,OBP=.365

Also Olerud was gold glove, Millar only dreams about it.

So, picking Olerud's worst year from his 17 professional years to claim that Millar is the better, to me is very un-scientific, misleading and biased!

 

To me the important issue is that we got three guys who can play 1st: Olerud, Millar, and Petagine.

Stats show us that both Olerud and Petagine are better than Millar, so why Millar gets 90% of the playing time?

[SCM33]

Umm...career averages mean nothing since Olerud is 38, and Millar is 33. See, as people get older they tend to not play as well. If you look at Olerud in 2003, and 2004 which is a TWO YEAR SAMPLE you would see that as a starter, Olerud is most likely not capable of putting up numbers which resemeble his career averages. My argument was not "WHO HAS HAD THE BETTER CAREER" so maybe if you would scroll up, and read the WHOLE argument so you wouldnt look so stupid. This has NOTHING to do with comparing their careers. This has everything to do with me explaining that if Olerud WERE the starting first baseman he would be about as productive as Millar is right now.

 

YOU SAID:"To me the important issue is that we got three guys who can play 1st: Olerud, Millar, and Petagine.

Stats show us that both Olerud and Petagine are better than Millar, so why Millar gets 90% of the playing time?"

 

No, stats dont show us that. Don't compare Oleruds 117 Ab's to Millars 393. Thats stupid. Instead compare 2003 and 2004 when Olerud was a full time starter. Wait, I already did that obviously you dont know how to scroll up and read, instead you jump in the conversation after I already made my points. Stats show us nothing about Petagine as well. He has 26 AB's. He has proven to be a very good AAA player and a Japanese Allstar. Does that mean Gabe Kapler sucks because he did so poorly in Japan? Does that mean that Hideki Irabu is going to come over and dominate because he was so great over there? No. You cant compare AAA or Japanese professional baseball to MLB. To say his 26 AB's prove he is a better option than Kevin Millar is again stupid.

 

I dont like Kevin Millar, not at all. I just think its funny that people think Olerud would hit .322 with 20 HR and 80 RBI if he were the starting firstbaseman based on 117 AB's.

 

Please read the whole conversation. Most people have a scroll right on their mouse, use it.

[sarasoxfan]

can you fit a few more links on there?

http://www.yankeessuck is always a fun site.

Kevin is making me look foolish, and I love it. When he makes me look stupid (which apparently I to a good job on my own, too) and uneccessarily vindictive that means he's playing well.

If he hits a couple of more homers I'll have to dye my hair.

Good job kevin, you're turning it around..keep it up.

[SCM33]

Its the law of averages. Its not like hes an old ballplayer who cant catch up to fastballs no more. Ive always thought his swing was pretty awful, but he has been very productive throughout his career. He finally made an adjustment and it looks like he rediscovered the pop in his bat. I wouldnt be surprised if his numbers are .280 15HR 60RBI .770 OPS which isnt that terrible considering the pace he was going at.

[MC Hammer]

spare me the lecture...what is it about this site where criticism warrants being called fairweather or negative...it's like there is some strange self-appointed fan police system in place. You all would make wonderful republicans..if you criticize you're helping the enemy...if you're not down with the spin you're insane and a liberal whacko.

 

PS: numbers can lie, and little eggheads like you can maniuplate them to say just about anything.

 

go sox!

I assume I'm thrown into the grop of the "fan police" so ... I'm gonna apologize for correctly calling you a fair weather fan. If what you, and many others on this board have done, is not being a fair weather fan then please explain exactly what a fair weather fan is.

 

No, numbers do not lie. If all the variables are equal then the results of the numbers will tell the truth about a player/s. The only people that say numbers lie are people that are always proved wrong by them (example: people that talk out of their ass with absolutly no evidence to back up what they say)