will manny get traded in the off season?

[elsrbueno]

If you want to get rid of Manny then we might as well trade Ortiz too because all he's going to see is intentional walks. Manny is hitting behind Ortiz for a reason. That reason being, atleast I think, because Ortiz does not have a great eye at the plate. So, putting Manny behind him will lead to him seeing more pitches in the strike zone. If you take Manny out of this lineup Ortiz will not hit 40 HRs ... he will not drive in 140. Simply put without Manny, Ortiz is not Ortiz. Without Manny Ortiz is Barry Bonds, only seeing pitches when the bases are empty. Do you really think teams are going to pitch to Ortiz because they're scared a Mike Cameron? Come on. Not to mention how money Manny is in the playoffs.

 

Trading Manny to keep Damon makes no sense to me what so ever. Resigning Johnny doesn't make a whole lot of sense to begin with. Although Johnny is having a great year, his days as a lead off hitter are numbered, while Manny still has years left to play in the OF ... then probably several more as a DH. Damon may help the team for, maybe another 2 years, where as Manny can still contribute for several more years. Once Johnny is no longer effective in the leadoff spot he has very little value in a lineup. He has average range, a weak arm, and he's going to continue losing a step or 2 every year. I don't see why you would let one of the best right handed hitters of all time go, so you can keep a guy thats going to be worthless for the last 3/4 years of his contract. I would rather pay manny 40 million than trade him and resign Johnny for the 6 years he's asking for.

 

 

There's no way I'd give Johnny Damon more than 3 years, and I've said that many times. In fact, I've been prepared to let the man walk (look at the past) if his demands don't come back to earth.

 

You have a very good point about Ortiz seeing more pitches because of Manny in the lineup, and that's one very good thing about having him on the team. But are you guys blind to all the ways he hurts this team?

 

Lack of range

Lack of speed

Lack of effort

Inability to play every day

 

Manny really makes me sick. By the way, before you dub him a postseason savior, please take a look at his career postseason numbers: .256/.351/.478

 

He hit .412 in the World Series, but had just 1 extra base hit, so he wasn't exactly hitting the cover off the ball.

[MC Hammer]

I understand your reasons for disliking Manny but the only reason that matters to me is his numbers. I've said it here before, Manny could take a lawn chair with him out to LF and I wouldn't care. If you can put up 40+/140+ every year then I could care less what you can do in the field. if you want to get on Manny for a lack of range, and speed then talk to Ortiz too. Ortiz doesn't even have the range or speed to play in the field so if your going to throw Manny under the bus you've gotta throw Ortiz too. I honestly don't see a lack of effort when I look at Manny. I see a lot of frustration at times(not running out pop ups) but I don't see a lack of effort. He does make some lackluster plays in LF, but he also makes some amazing plays. Like I said Manny can do whatever he wants as long as he's hitting 40+/140+.

 

BTW from all the reports I've read and heard Johnny is looking for a 5/6 year deal. If Theo does move Manny so he can resign Damon for 5/6 years then I will no longer look at him as one of the best GMs in the league because a move like that would just be silly.

[noonanberg]

Thank you Elsbrueno. The World Series was Manny's only good postseason series last year. Against Anaheim and New York he did next to nothing. And what did he hit like 1 maybe 2 homers that entire playoff or something like that. Great production for a clean- up hitter at $20 million a year.

[noonanberg]

Lack of speed MC? Ortiz was second on the team in triples last year with 3. And he's got a 100% SB% this year. The guy is a deceptive runner.

[MC Hammer]

Thank you Elsbrueno. The World Series was Manny's only good postseason series last year. Against Anaheim and New York he did next to nothing. And what did he hit like 1 maybe 2 homers that entire playoff or something like that. Great production for a clean- up hitter at $20 million a year.

Your right ... he only got a hit in every single playoff game ... but who needs that.

 

Cumulative Postseason Numbers 2004:

.423/.500/.350

 

Current 2005 Line:

.385/.594/.287

 

If you think he was bad in the playoffs last year then you've gotta be awful disapointed with him this year.

[soxie thefangirl]

Manny's one of the best players ever. Ever. Period. And he is one of the two best players of today. Him and A-Rod.

[sarasoxfan]

yawn...he's here stay.

 

I cant bash the guy, even against all these true and well thought out stats. I like him and will be loyal.

I have heard it all, and when push comes to shove, when he comes up I think think there is a good chance he'll make things happen...whatever the f***ing stats say. I cheer for him and always will (at elast while he is a redsox)

His impact goes beyond stats--just ask DO.

the bone head plays, and the immaturity are made up for by being the best right handed hitter in the game and the occasional unbelievable catch.

[elsrbueno]

yawn...he's here stay.

 

I cant bash the guy, even against all these true and well thought out stats. I like him and will be loyal.

I have heard it all, and when push comes to shove, when he comes up I think think there is a good chance he'll make things happen...whatever the f***ing stats say. I cheer for him and always will (at elast while he is a redsox)

His impact goes beyond stats--just ask DO.

the bone head plays, and the immaturity are made up for by being the best right handed hitter in the game and the occasional unbelievable catch.

 

No matter how much I dislike a Red Sox player (mostly it's Manny and Millar), OF COURSE I'll always cheer for them, because they're Red Sox. Doesn't mean I have to like them OR think they're what's best for the team.

 

Manny's an awesome hitter, I've given him that credit time and time again. When it all comes down to it, bottom line, I think the Red Sox would be better off without him. Without his attitude, his laziness, and his gigantic contract. I respect and understand all of your opinions, I just don't agree with them.

[eZ_d0eS_iT]

If there was a possibility of trading Manny this season where is the production going to come from? There is NO ONE on the Mets that can approach what he gives this team.

 

I hear and respect both sides of the argument as to whether he should stay or go, but in the end, you have to do what's best for the team. If its in the best interest to keep him and his production then we don't have to like him personally but we should accept it and move on. Face it, not every impact, clutch player tjhese days is a good guy. Gone are the days of the Pete Rose type players who gave their all day in and day out. I had stated in another thread that just about every all star/HOF player nowadays gets preferential treatment...some have it stated in their contracts (Barriods & Clemens for example). As much as we may despise this attitude, the question is, do you wanna lose w/hardworking blue collar guys or win with great players who may not always have the club's best interest in mind and couldn't give a f*** what anyone else thinks? (T.O. anyone??) :dunno: