Manny to Mets

[yeszir]

Hmm.... NESN described it as fairly even, but the boo's slightly outnumbered the cheers. So yeszir, were you part of the cheers or boo's?

I think NESN is wrong. I didn't do either, so I was neutral. I think the booers were just louder than the cheerers, really.

[Sox Fan on Cape]

DrewDaGreat : " But, the everyone hates him things can continue without quotes."

 

Nice retort, resort to to unfounded generalities. Do you have an original thought or any back-up for what you post ? Or is it all piggyback ******** ?

[MANNYHOF24]

If Manny gets traded and Jonnhy walks at the end of the year, the redsox are gonna be in tough shape next year, and will struggle to make the playoffs

[bigpapi349]

Updated: July 30, 2005, 1:20 PM ET

Mets prospect Milledge key piece to trade puzzle

 

The proposed three-team trade involving the Red Sox, New York Mets and Tampa Bay Devil Rays -- with Boston outfielder Manny Ramirez at the heart of it -- is still alive and still being discussed, baseball sources said Saturday.

 

The proposal took on a different look late Friday into Saturday, however.

 

The Red Sox would acquire Mets outfielder Mike Cameron and pitcher Aaron Heilman, and Devil Rays outfielder/designated hitter Aubrey Huff; the Mets would get Ramirez, reliever Danys Baez and shortstop Julio Lugo; and the Devil Rays would still get four prospects, but the prospects are being reconsidered.

 

An official with one of the three teams told ESPN.com that the Mets never walked away from the deal Friday night over money. Rather, it was over their reluctance to let go of Lastings Milledge, one of their top prospects. Saturday, however, the Mets have softened on that stance.

 

If Milledge is still included in the current proposal, Red Sox prospect Hanley Ramirez gets thrown into the mix. Milledge would potentially go to the Red Sox, and Ramirez would get shipped to Tampa Bay.

 

Meanwhile, the Toronto Blue Jays have talked to the Red Sox as well and made an "inquisitive call" about Manny Ramirez, sources said.

 

Late Friday, the Red Sox, Mets and Devil Rays had decided that if they couldn't get a deal patched by noon Saturday, they would have no choice but to move on, an executive with one of the teams said late Friday night. Major League Baseball's trade deadline is 4 p.m. ET on Sunday.

 

"If there are any complications involving Manny's contract, or any financial ramifications [such as luxury tax or deferral issues, they] would require the approval of the commissioner's office," the executive said. "So this is not the kind of deal you can do at 3:59 p.m. Sunday."

 

Given that deadline, the executive said, "it's looking like it's not going to happen. Time's just running out. At some point it just becomes too late."

 

According to a baseball official familiar with the discussions, the proposed trade "hit a roadblock" late Friday.

 

In addition to the initial proposal of Ramirez and Baez being sent to the Mets, the Red Sox would acquire Huff and Cameron, and the Devil Rays receiving two prospects apiece from New York and Boston.

 

But a source said the Red Sox felt they could not go ahead with trading Ramirez and two prime prospects -- reportedly catcher Kelly Shoppach and right-hander Anibal Sanchez -- if all they were receiving was Cameron and Huff. So they went back to the Mets "for more pieces," the source reported.

 

At that point, the Mets "squashed the whole thing" and talks broke off. A baseball man with knowledge of the discussions said the Red Sox asked the Mets for a "key player," whom the Mets felt they couldn't trade. It is believed that Milledge was this player.

 

An official of another club that spoke with the Mets on Friday night said the Mets also had reservations about going ahead with the deal because they would have had to assume all $64 million of Ramirez's contract, and that would have put them both over budget and over the luxury-tax threshold.

 

Senior writer Jayson Stark covers Major League Baseball for ESPN.com

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2120374

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I really hope to God he gets traded. He's quickly turned into the Nomar of last year and is becoming somewhat of a cancer to this team.

 

 

Noooooo! Honestly, he is nowhere near what Nomar was like. Nomar was injured and malcontent and going to be a free agent. Manny is still producing and seems to be having alot of fun with the players and fans during games. All he wants i guess is to play in a place where the focus on him would be smaller. What i really think it is is the boston media. Boston's media is the worst in the country, maybe tied with NYC(Yankee press). Boston's press seems to love ripping there players apart, even if they do well.

[example1]

Damon will be resigned if Manny goes, guarenteed. That money would easily be allocated for resigning Damon along with resigning Ortiz in the future and hopefully picking up another pitcher.

 

I don't think Manny will be traded and I think that all of Manny's grumpiness will pass when the trade deadling does.

[Tek4pres]

But, the everyone hates him things can continue without quotes.

 

Actually I'm not saying that everyone hates him. I'm saying that giving Manny what

he asked for and trading him can also help the team. I'm on record saying that I don't think giving up prospects for Huff and Cameron is a good deal. But a deal for Benson, Looper and Cameron would be a different story. It would give the Sox key pitching staffs and a good outfielder. On top of that it'd get rid of a bad contract without taking on any bad contracts. And most have only replied by saying trading Manny is stupid, everyone loves him which is an unverifiable statement that ignores the fact that we need to make changes to this team needs to make changes in order to win. If it comes down to giving up Mueller for one piece of the puzzle in Romero plus prospects in other deals, or giving up Manny (and getting rid of a bad contract) for all of the pieces, then I choose the latter.

 

You might also want to see the Wells on Manny thread.

[bigpapi349]

i like that trade much better than the first one. milledge is a better prospect than hanley and were getting a young pticher also.

[DrewDaGreat]

Why do Wells and Schilling get to speak for the team. Schilling played here for one year and Wells has been here for a few months. What about guys who have been Manny's teammates for years?

[RedSoxRooter]

Damon will be resigned if Manny goes, guarenteed.

I think the Sox will go after him regardless. At least they'll make an honest attempt - like Pedro.

[therealsoxGM]

amen that trade sucks! screw the mets! leave them out! keep manny and trade that overpaid dummy edgar renteria! 40 million/4 years! here's the real trade to the rays....

boston trades- edgar renteria, tony graffinto, 1 good prospect, and a middle reliever- maybe Matt Mantei for-

 

D-rays trade- Jorge Cantu-2B/3B-.291 BA, 15 homers, 64 RBIs... Julio Lugo-SS-.299 BA, 31 SBs... Danny Baez-RP- 3.11 Era, 21 Saves

 

now thats a trade!

[example1]

Benson Looper and Cameron? Come on. I don't want ANY of those 3. Benson is a middle of the road pitcher; he's a suppan.

 

The sox are NOT in bad shape this year at all. They're in first place. We don't need to start bailing water out of the boat yet.

 

Schill and Wells speak for TEAMS, regardless of which one they play for. its just not cool to DEMAND a trade and refuse to play. I don't care who you are, its just weak and selfish.

[example1]

amen that trade sucks! screw the mets! leave them out! keep manny and trade that overpaid dummy edgar renteria! 40 million/4 years! here's the real trade to the rays....

boston trades- edgar renteria, tony graffinto, 1 good prospect, and a middle reliever- maybe Matt Mantei for-

 

D-rays trade- Jorge Cantu-2B/3B-.291 BA, 15 homers, 64 RBIs... Julio Lugo-SS-.299 BA, 31 SBs... Danny Baez-RP- 3.11 Era, 21 Saves

 

now thats a trade!

 

No, I don't really like that trade either. I don't care about Lugo's SB's and I'm not convinced he'll be as good as renteria when all is said and done. I totally agree that we should screw the mets though. What's next, are we going to trade them Ortiz and Damon for Piazza and Kaz matsui? How about Schilling and Tek for Piazza and Zambrano. Let's just give them the world series.

 

All kidding aside, I think that if we're going to trade Manny we should trade him to an obscure middle market team in the NL... maybe Colorado or Arizona. Have fun Manny... you still miss your privacy??

[ORS]

Why do Wells and Schilling get to speak for the team. Schilling played here for one year and Wells has been here for a few months. What about guys who have been Manny's teammates for years?

That is why I won't speculate about how the core of the team feels about Manny. Tek, Nixon, and Mueller are smart enough to know that handling it in the media won't do any good.

 

I do know that Nixon has publicly stated that trading Mueller will not be received well in the clubhouse. I think this team has enough assets to acquire some bullpen help without shopping Billy Mill around.

 

I also think that some of our young arms should be given a shot at some BP work like Delcarmen was the other day in Tampa. What's the point of having a good farm system if you aren't going to use it?

[DrewDaGreat]

That is why I won't speculate about how the core of the team feels about Manny. Tek, Nixon, and Mueller are smart enough to know that handling it in the media won't do any good.

 

I do know that Nixon has publicly stated that trading Mueller will not be received well in the clubhouse. I think this team has enough assets to acquire some bullpen help without shopping Billy Mill around.

 

I also think that some of our young arms should be given a shot at some BP work like Delcarmen was the other day in Tampa. What's the point of having a good farm system if you aren't going to use it?

 

Good point.

[ksushi]

Yes, very good point. Off the topic of the whole manny deal, I wanna know why Delcarmen wasn't used last night. Timlin has a sore arm and is among the league leaders in appearances, why not pitch Delcarmen?

 

But yeah about manny, the only team that will be able to take him on is a major market team with a lot of money because the sox won't and shouldn't have to pay for him. I personally like the deal because i love huff and cameron, and i don't like shoppach and manny. I think this deal has the potential to have as positive an impact as the nomar deal last year provided we don't have to give up Delcarmen, Pedroia, or Hanley to get it done. I'd add papelbon to that list too, I really don't want to part with him. The sox have other plus prospects they could put in a deal that would get it done and won't really affect the sox, part of having a good farm system is using it to acquire good major league players through trade. I like the trade as is, a lot.

[yankthis]

Any team wanting to pick up Manny would not only be saddling his huge salary, but they would have to give a hell of a lot in return as well. A hell of a lot.

 

Any potential trade proposition would probably be one of the biggest deals in history. Even if both sides really wanted to hammer out a deal, the chances of actually getting it done would be on the slim side.

[bigpapi349]

BREAKING NEWS- Manny trade "close to dead"

All But Dead

 

Manny Ramirez wants out of Boston, but he apparently won't get his wish. The proposed three-team deal that would've sent Ramirez to the Mets likely won't happen, reports Jayson Stark.

[ORS]

Yes, very good point. Off the topic of the whole manny deal, I wanna know why Delcarmen wasn't used last night. Timlin has a sore arm and is among the league leaders in appearances, why not pitch Delcarmen?

I was wondering the same thing last night. A 5 run lead in the 9th is a great time to give a young arm another inning. I was at the game his debut night and got to watch him warm up because I was sitting near the Sox bullpen. He's pretty impressive.

I think this deal has the potential to have as positive an impact as the nomar deal last year provided we don't have to give up Delcarmen, Pedroia, or Hanley to get it done. I'd add papelbon to that list too, I really don't want to part with him. The sox have other plus prospects they could put in a deal that would get it done and won't really affect the sox, part of having a good farm system is using it to acquire good major league players through trade. I like the trade as is, a lot.

I'd add Sanchez and Lester to that list.

[ksushi]

I wouldn't, sometimes you have to deal some young arms in exchange for vets. I would deal them if it got me huff cameron and heilman.

 

And guy who posted the dead deal thing, its not dead, thats old, im hearing on the radio right now that the money is agreed apon and the players need to be hammered out between the mets and sox and i think that would make it done if im understanding it right. I think this deal could get done because the sox want it done badly.

[bigpapi349]

goto espn.com or watch ESPN NEWS

MANNY TRADE DEAD

[ksushi]

I still think it could get done, i take things from espn with a grain of salt. I think the sox just want to trade ramierez too badly.

[MC Hammer]

I wouldn't, sometimes you have to deal some young arms in exchange for vets. I would deal them if it got me huff cameron and heilman..

 

And sometimes you end up like the Yankees because of it.

[bigpapi349]

i do think that the redsox will end up getting huff but mannys going nowhere

[ksushi]

I think they have to deal manny, cause after this season he gets 10-5 protection and the sox don't want his contract. I bet something gets done to send him out.

[MC Hammer]

i do think that the redsox will end up getting huff but mannys going nowhere

I really hope they still go after Huff, because as I've said before I really think the guy is going to be a star, but I don't want to give up Manny for him. Huff can play 1st, 3rd, OF, and he swings a pretty good stick. He would be very good pick up to replace Trot short term, and replace Millar long term.

[ORS]

I wouldn't, sometimes you have to deal some young arms in exchange for vets. I would deal them if it got me huff cameron and heilman.

 

And guy who posted the dead deal thing, its not dead, thats old, im hearing on the radio right now that the money is agreed apon and the players need to be hammered out between the mets and sox and i think that would make it done if im understanding it right. I think this deal could get done because the sox want it done badly.

I think the book is still out on Huff. If we are getting the Huff of the last two years, then it might work out, but he's been struggling this year.

 

Cameron is an above average fielder and average hitter.

 

If we were trading less than a future HOF hitter and a potential front of the rotation starter, then I'd be in favor because Cameron in center, Damon in right, and Huff in left isn't totally unappealing.

 

But one of those guys are going to sit when Nixon is back. And the loss in production at the plate will really be felt with this year's pitching staff.

 

Which brings me to why I wouldn't want Lester or Sanchez to go in this trade. With Papelbon and those two we have 3 potential front of the rotation starters. Those guys, barring injury, are going to be big league pitchers, and our rotation would be very formidable if we were to keep them. If you are going to downgrade the offense, then don't give up what you are going to need to win games, and that is pitching.

[MC Hammer]

I think the book is still out on Huff. If we are getting the Huff of the last two years, then it might work out, but he's been struggling this year.

 

I dont think he's been struggling that bad this year.

 

 	G	AB	R	H	2B	3B	HR	RBI	TB	BB	SO	SB	CS	OBP	SLG	AVG
2005	99	367	44	99	17	2	13	63	159	31	62	8	4	.330	.433	.270

 

Not to mention he's been on fire since the ASB

.351 BA 5HR 18RBI

[ORS]

Wanna get him for Manny and Sanchez?

[MC Hammer]

Wanna get him for Manny and Sanchez?

 

No if you scroll up a few posts you'll see that I said I want him, but not for Manny.