Manny wants out

[bigpapi349]

what about manny going to texas for soriano,mench and maybe a pitcher

[yankees4ever]

soxie, go to espn.com or foxsports.com or whatever. it's all there

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I heard a rumor they Sox would have added Adrian Beltre and JD Drew last offseason if they could have moved Manny.

 

 

Well Manny's huge contract did at least one thing right.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Well Manny's huge contract did at least one thing right.

 

hard to say what they would have done in a different environment. I was never a huge Beltre fan....but I think JD Drew is a hell of a player if he could just stay healthy

[riverside sluggers]

i dont see Sox being able to trade Manny, just simply the fact he still has 3 seasons left on his contract at $57 million. This privacy s*** is assinine, what sports celebrity all star doesnt have privacy?

[soxie thefangirl]

This whole thing has been way overblown. I hate to use the overused phrase, but this is just Manny being Manny. Who really takes him seriously? This is just needless gossip and controversey sparked by the media to give them something to talk about.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Red Sox president Larry Lucchino confirmed Thursday morning that Ramirez recently asked the team to trade him. Furthermore, he told Boston sports radio station WEEI that the Red Sox will make an attempt to do just that before Sunday's trade deadline: "Certainly, Manny's name will come up from time to time in the next 72 hours," Lucchino said.

[bigpapi349]

the only team that wants and can afford him is the Mets and theres no one on the mets that can replace manny

[riverside sluggers]

and sox cant trade him in the offseason cuz he will then be in a no-trade clause, dude youre getting $60 million to play baseball for the best team, and you're a real well liked guy--no sports star, politician, celebrity, musician, etc. has a private life, its how it is

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

the only team that wants and can afford him is the Mets and theres no one on the mets that can replace manny

 

I would take David Wright and Jose Reyes. That would open up so many potential moves for the Sox.

[elsrbueno]

I would take David Wright and Jose Reyes. That would open up so many potential moves for the Sox.

 

The Mets would be stupid to do that, but hell yes, I'd take it.

 

David Wright is a future superstar and Jose Reyes is just oozing with talent. His kind of energy would be a welcome addition to the Sox team.

 

I have to say that I hate it when anyone says "Manny being Manny." Dude-- he gets payed $160 million dollars to play a game. To do something any one of us would do for free. He gets more vacation time than anyone deserves, and all they ask him to do is hit. The past couple weeks he's asked out of a bunch of games (remember the July 20th game in Boston against Tampa? He came out of that game early too) and this is the last straw.

 

Anyone who knows me knows that I've critisized Manny Ramirez heavily the past few years. His lack of energy and effort are sickening to me. Yes, he produces, but so did Carl Everett.... and who misses him?

 

OK, that was low I admit. But I'm sick of his antics. It's time the Red Sox move on from Manny just being Manny. He can take his selfish, spoiled-brat lazy ass attitude to another team as far as I'm concerned. The problem is nobody else is stupid enough to pay his entire contract.

[soxie thefangirl]

I would take David Wright and Jose Reyes in a split second. Wright is an amazing player and he's definitely a future star.

[riverside sluggers]

well this is sox's last chance to trade him away, in the offseason he will be under no trade protection clause--which means Red Sox could only release him and pay him the remaining salary on his contract

[Ringo]

How about this proposed trade(just something that i made up)

Red Sox Get: Todd Helton

Eric Byrnes

Rockies Get: Manny Ramirez

Kevin Millar

 

This would work well for manny since he would be going to a place that he could have his privacy and it works for the sox because we get a bat in return thats close to manny, someone who can play left, and someone to play first. I think it could work.

[soxie thefangirl]

I enjoy the Mets trade. Wright / Reyes are amazing. Both batting near .300 with 54 & 44 RBI, considering they're both 22. They're the superstars of the future.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

Sure i wouldn't mind trading manny to the mets, but manny is my favorite play and i like the mets so i'd be cool with it. But hell if we get Beltran and Wright that would be good.

[soxie thefangirl]

Beltran really isn't performing as well as he should this season though.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

He's had a leg injury. I think he injured a muscle, but it's back to normal now so he might pic it up a bit

[soxie thefangirl]

That's true. I'd rather Reyes and Wright than Beltran and Wright, though because of who would play what position in the outfield if we got Beltran I think.

[riverside sluggers]

plus sox would have to tack on a big contract for another big contract

[elsrbueno]

I enjoy the Mets trade. Wright / Reyes are amazing. Both batting near .300 with 54 & 44 RBI, considering they're both 22. They're the superstars of the future.

 

As much as I agree with you Soxie, I don't think getting those two is realistic. Those are the types of ballplayers the Mets should be building around.

 

I'll let Theo work out the details, but how about a Mets deal that looks like so:

 

Mets get: Manny Ramirez, Kevin Millar, (Embree? Halama?)

Red Sox get: Mike Cameron, Tom Glavine, Jose Reyes.

 

Why this works for the Red Sox: We get rid of Manny Ramirez' gigantic contract and bad attitude. We give up two solid offensive players in Ramirez and Millar, but we get Mike Cameron who can play centerfield for the Red Sox, shifting Johnny Damon and his weak arm to left where it won't matter as much. Cameron is nowhere near the offensive player Ramirez is, but he's got a slick glove, a decent bat, and good speed to go along with it. Tom Glavine isn't the same pitcher he used to be, but could fill in well at the back end of the rotation and allow Bronson Arroyo to strengthen the bullpen immediately. Jose Reyes takes over second base for the Red Sox immediately.

 

Why this works for the Mets: The New York Mets are improving offensively in two positions: right field with Manny Ramirez and first base with Kevin Millar. Also, if they add a guy like Embree in this deal they get an extra arm for their weak bullpen. In order to assume Manny's salary, the Red Sox will have to take on some undesirable contracts. Cameron and Glavine both make a lot of money, and the financial aspect of this deal is almost even. Jose Reyes is a small price to pay for the best run producer in the game, and Willie Randolph's no BS managing style will probably help Manny get straightened out.

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

As much as I agree with you Soxie, I don't think getting those two is realistic. Those are the types of ballplayers the Mets should be building around.

 

I'll let Theo work out the details, but how about a Mets deal that looks like so:

 

Mets get: Manny Ramirez, Kevin Millar, (Embree? Halama?)

Red Sox get: Mike Cameron, Tom Glavine, Jose Reyes.

 

Why this works for the Red Sox: We get rid of Manny Ramirez' gigantic contract and bad attitude. We give up two solid offensive players in Ramirez and Millar, but we get Mike Cameron who can play centerfield for the Red Sox, shifting Johnny Damon and his weak arm to left where it won't matter as much. Cameron is nowhere near the offensive player Ramirez is, but he's got a slick glove, a decent bat, and good speed to go along with it. Tom Glavine isn't the same pitcher he used to be, but could fill in well at the back end of the rotation and allow Bronson Arroyo to strengthen the bullpen immediately. Jose Reyes takes over second base for the Red Sox immediately.

 

Why this works for the Mets: The New York Mets are improving offensively in two positions: right field with Manny Ramirez and first base with Kevin Millar. Also, if they add a guy like Embree in this deal they get an extra arm for their weak bullpen. In order to assume Manny's salary, the Red Sox will have to take on some undesirable contracts. Cameron and Glavine both make a lot of money, and the financial aspect of this deal is almost even. Jose Reyes is a small price to pay for the best run producer in the game, and Willie Randolph's no BS managing style will probably help Manny get straightened out.

 

I'm actually going to disagree with you on this trade. David Wright is the key to any Manny Ramirez deal. Without David Wright I would say no. Jose Reyes is an excellent player....but when losing one of the greatest Red Sox hitters of all time....you would have to bring in a guy who will now be a leader and face of the Red Sox. He is deffinitly going to be an all star....but the Red Sox are trading an all star (arguably the best hitter in baseball). Leaving the Mets to deal Cameron and giving them an outfield of Ramirez, Beltran, and Floyd. Omar is drooling over that possibility and I think he wants to win now. Everyone says that team should build around the young players. I don't really see it happening because of his interest in Manny, Pedro, Hernandez, etc....look at the players he goes after. They are all older...he doesnt want to wait. Golden opportunity to grab one of the best upcoming players in baseball and who I consider to be a team leader and big game player for many years. Get David Wright and I say deal Manny!

[soxie thefangirl]

I'd rather us get Wright over Reyes and I think the organization would probably push for a trade of Wright / anybody else, I think. Although both of them are pretty damn amazing.

 

And us getting Reyes would leave Pedroia outta the loop entirely. Reyes is the same age, has tons more experience and success and would be killer at 2nd base. That would probably allow the Sox to move Pedroia.

 

I honestly think IF a trade happens, it'll only involve the Mets. They really like Manny. And they can afford Manny, more importantly. If this trade goes through, it might be bigger than the Nomar trade ultimately.

[elsrbueno]

I think you guys are correct in saying Wright would be the preferred player, I mean look at how this team is set up-- we've got a wide open third base job next year and why not fill it with the best young third baseman in the game?

 

I also think that for all the same reasons the Red Sox would want to acquire David Wright, the Mets will want to keep him. I could be wrong, and hopefully Theo makes a great trade. Hell, if Wright comes in a Manny Ramirez deal, it would be that much easier to trade Mueller to the Twins for a reliever!

 

I just don't see the Mets letting Wright go. I also think you guys are overestimating the trade value on a guy like Manny Ramirez. He's WAY overpaid (second highest in the game), he's a liability in the outfield, he's slower than molasses, his effort is severely lacking, and he's been extremely selfish over the course of his Red Sox career. How many teams will be interested in taking on that player under these circumstances? My guess would be JUST the Mets. If that's the case, Theo has very little leverage in the dealmaking process.

[riverside sluggers]

actually only good thing with Manny in the outfield that he has had 12 outfield assists, leading the majors in the category---wow i feel bad for kevin youkilis now, heavly known as future 3rd baseman for the Red Sox and then in 2005 being yo-yo'd from Pawtucket to Red Sox, probably be just a backup again next season if hypothetically sox deal with the mets

[bigpapi349]

another possible trade that ive heard is Manny for Todd Helton

[elsrbueno]

actually only good thing with Manny in the outfield that he has had 12 outfield assists, leading the majors in the category---wow i feel bad for kevin youkilis now, heavly known as future 3rd baseman for the Red Sox and then in 2005 being yo-yo'd from Pawtucket to Red Sox, probably be just a backup again next season if hypothetically sox deal with the mets

 

If the Sox somehow miraculously acquire David Wright they should do Youkilis a favor and trade him somewhere where he'll start. He deserves to be an everyday player in the bigs IMO.

 

another possible trade that ive heard is Manny for Todd Helton

 

The thing that bugs me about Todd Helton is that his home/road splits are alarming this season.

 

Home: .331/.454/.550

Road: .257/.375/.389

 

Granted, over the past three years he's averaged .310/.422/.517 away from Coors, so this season COULD be a fluke.

 

Acquiring Helton would be a good start, but the Red Sox would need a right handed threat to complement David Ortiz. Otherwise a lefty specialist ala Mike Myers could eat us alive in the playoffs.

[soxie thefangirl]

But as stated, the Mets aren't as interested in building around younger players as they are in guys like Manny / Pedro etc.

 

Wright is definitely a step up from Youk and Youk should definitely be traded then and not kept as backup and most likely would be.

[bigpapi349]

true, but i wonder how manny would like it in Colorado

[yeszir]

The thing that bugs me about Todd Helton is that his home/road splits are alarming this season.

 

Home: .331/.454/.550

Road: .257/.375/.389

 

Granted, over the past three years he's averaged .310/.422/.517 away from Coors, so this season COULD be a fluke.

 

Acquiring Helton would be a good start, but the Red Sox would need a right handed threat to complement David Ortiz. Otherwise a lefty specialist ala Mike Myers could eat us alive in the playoffs.

It may be because he plays in CO, but to me, Helton seems like a second-tier star. We'd definitely have to get more for Manny.

 

But what am I talking about! Trading Manny Ramirez!? This is Manny we're talking about guys, he's been the driving offensive force behind this team for a long time now. It seems like every year he goes through either an incredible slump, or some formof unhappiness that blows over in 2-3 weeks. I wouldn't be surprised if we heard nothing more of this.