Payton Wants out

[Manny Goes Boom]

Thanks Stocker! You made my day right after that tough loss to the Pirates! I liked everything I heard except for the 4th, no way we give up mueller. I would like schmidt, even though he is already 32...I wouldn't be at all surprised if Kapler came back since he is having trouble baseball-wise in Japan....

 

anyone want to take a shot at what we would have to give up to get schmidt?

 

 

IMO, We would have to give them (Giants) for Jason Schmidt...

 

Bronson Arroyo

Jay Payton (they need an outfielder, and he WOULD play everyday...I think a position is open in LF...)

Prob another reliever...(throw Embree in the mix with another maybe)

and maybe cash....DUNNO :dunno:

 

Hes a GREAT pitcher, but it (if that rumor is true) may cost us ALOT, but DEPENDING on what we would have to give them, I wouldnt mind seeing Schmidt in a Sox uniform :thumbsup:

[Zenny]

I think Schmidt's hurt. It may not be worth it.

[soxie thefangirl]

We definitely shouldn't give up Arroyo.

[elsrbueno]

We definitely shouldn't give up Arroyo.

 

I agree with Soxie for once.

 

As much as I'd love to see Schmidt in a Red Sox uniform, I don't think it's worth giving up Bronson. He's proven he can be a solid pitcher both in the rotation and in the bullpen, and is one of the younger arms on the staff.

 

The fact that Gammons said the Sox didn't like what they saw doesn't bode well. He could be still recovering from his injuries regaining his command though.

 

Schmidt was one of the top pitchers in baseball 2002-2004, and if he can pitch at that level, he'd ABSOLUTELY be worth Payton, Embree, and a prospect even at $8.1 million in my opinion.

 

A Schilling, Wells, Clement, Schmidt, Miller rotation would easily be the best and deepest in the game, and it would make the bullpen that much stronger having added Arroyo and Wakefield.

 

It's a dream right now, but certainly something to keep an eye on.

[26 to 6]

A Schilling, Wells, Clement, Schmidt, Miller rotation would easily be the best and deepest in the game

 

yea, because having Schilling; whose been hurt all year, Wells; whose always got something wrong with him health-wise, Clement; whose pretty much been your ace this year which is pretty sad, Schmidt; whose been horendous this year plus is injured quite often, including most of this year, and Wade Miller whose been rocky the last few years and missed the begining of the season due to none other than an INJURY, is real lights out and could be compared to a fantasy rotation of Roger Clemens, Cy Young, Walter Johnson, Whitey Ford, and Sandy Koufax.....hell, we might as well say that the sox rotation with the addition of Schmidt is BETTER than the fantasy rotation i mentioned

 

 

 

as far as im concerned you could have your rotation that your dreaming about right now, it'd sure as hell help us

[BigPapiEnFuego]

gotta agree with 26-6 on this, the red sox rotation blows. Big time. the only one we can be sure of ever going out and doing good is clement, sometimes Arroyo and possibly schill when he comes back. other then that, you never know when wells, Miller or Wake can do good or totally suck. We've got more confusion and scandal surrounding our pitching then harlem on fathers day

[example1]

gotta agree with 26-6 on this, the red sox rotation blows. Big time. the only one we can be sure of ever going out and doing good is clement, sometimes Arroyo and possibly schill when he comes back. other then that, you never know when wells, Miller or Wake can do good or totally suck. We've got more confusion and scandal surrounding our pitching then harlem on fathers day

 

I disagree, although I don't think they've been great. If you get rid of one of Miller's starts (his 2IP, 7ER vs. Toronto) he's got an ERA of 3.98, with every start being more than 5 innings. That's not so bad. Arroyo has been inconsistent, as has Wells, but they don't blow big time. They aren't as good as recent Sox rotations, but they're not as bad as all that. Every starter can keep the Sox in any game against any other pitcher, which is all you're looking for at this point in the season. By the end of the year, we'll need Clement, Schilling and probably Wells to be regularly throwing quality starts, or we'll need to get another quality starter. IN either case, it could be a lot worse. We're only 2 games back and we're playing pretty well right now. Manny is coming around and the rest of the lineup has really gelled.

 

BoSox: 1.39 WHIP

Baltimore: 1.34 WHIP

Yankees: 1.39 WHIP

 

So, although that's pretty bad (compared to say, the Twins' 1.19 WHIP) its pretty consistent with what's going on in the AL East currently. We also don't have our best pitcher. It will be alright ya'll, seriously.

[soxie thefangirl]

We need bullpen help.

 

Payton might be of some use if Damon does end up having to go on the DL for a bit.

[yankeessuck013]

Here is some info on damon and payton from the boston globe.....

 

Damon may soften his hardball stance

 

 

By Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff *|* June 21, 2005

 

 

CLEVELAND -- Face it, you'll miss Johnny Damon if he isn't in a Red Sox uniform next season.

 

 

Every time he's missing from the Red Sox lineup, there's a large void. His bat, his speed, his hair, his mannerisms, his charisma, his style, his flair, his humor, his leadership, and lately, his toughness, are all things that would be difficult to part with.

 

 

Unless he has an extraordinary falloff, life in Boston without Johnny Damon is not appealing to anyone. It might not be appealing to Damon, either.

 

 

The center fielder has talked about wanting a five-year contract when he becomes a free agent after this season.

 

 

If it's five years he wants, he's not likely to get it in Boston, though there probably are teams who would oblige Scott Boras, Damon's agent. But yesterday, Damon, who is battling a painful right shoulder injury, started to back off that stance.

 

 

Asked if he would take fewer years to stay in Boston, Damon said, ''You'd probably want more money per year for less years, but yeah, that's a possibility. It's something I would consider especially because in a couple of years all of these guys in here are going to be older. So yeah, it's something I would consider, but we'd have to get it done right."

 

 

It is a major concession on Damon's part. Earlier this year, he said he might retire if he didn't get a five-year deal from a team on his preferred list. Nobody believed that one.

 

 

What's happened since is that Damon's popularity has grown even more. Boston needs him and he needs Boston. He's one of the few players who enjoys the pressure cooker of Boston (something Keith Foulke could learn from). Damon is always willing to engage the fans, the media, and be the face of the team.

 

 

Damon had what proved to be the biggest hit of last night's game -- a homer leading off the top of the ninth that gave the Sox a 10-8 lead in an eventual 10-9 win. Damon also made a superb running catch of a Coco Crisp liner to the gap in left-center to end the game with the tying run on second.

 

 

''It was a screaming liner," Damon said. ''Manny [Ram?rez] was playing shallow [in left] and I was deep and when I saw the ball I knew it was coming my way. I had to make sure Manny heard me and I called him off so I could make the play. It was a good way to end the game."

 

 

Damon probably has the highest volume of requests for his time among Sox players, and there isn't much he turns down. With a .339 average and 40 RBIs, he has silenced critics who said he might be doing too much off the field and not concentrating enough on baseball.

 

 

Damon seems to express different thoughts on free agency every time you speak to him. The fact he's having an exceptional season is helping his cause, though now he's playing hurt and readily admits he'd be better off going on the 15-day disabled list.

 

 

This is where his toughness comes in.

 

 

''I understand what I am here," Damon said. ''I intend to play 150 games this year no matter what's wrong with me. I've had some things this year, but I haven't had anything that I can't overcome. My shoulder hurts when I swing and miss; well, I've got to reduce the number of times I swing and miss. But I know my body and I know how far I can go with it."

 

 

The MRI exam he had recently showed no tears, just a strained rotator cuff. He was told that rest would likely solve the problem, but he doesn't think this is the time to sit.

 

 

''It's just something I know is going to be here, hopefully not through the season," he said. ''It feels better today. An extended break would help it out, but I know I can't do that."

 

 

You don't have to dig deep into Terry Francona's inner sanctum to know how much he respects Damon and how much he appreciates Damon's willingness to play hurt.

 

 

''I've said this about 15 times: He's about the toughest kid I've ever seen," said Francona. ''Johnny's honest with me. He called me this morning and told me he wanted to get back in there.

 

 

''Sometimes it's not easy to judge when you should have him sit. Last year he had no business playing sometimes and he went out there and hit home runs."

 

 

Damon had a couple of feeble at-bats in his first two tries against lefthander C.C. Sabathia last night. He was swinging and missing, even struck out swinging in his second at-bat. But then he increased his hitting streak to nine games with a single up the middle in the fifth. His ninth-inning blast was his third homer of the season.

 

 

Damon even said he would play in the All-Star Game if named, though that could be a good healing time for him.

 

 

Damon's health means it's probably a good thing that the Sox haven't moved Jay Payton, who recently has expressed his dissatisfaction with playing time.

 

 

''He's probably the best No. 4 outfielder around," Damon said. ''He does deserve to play. I feel for him. I hope we can get him in the right situation.

 

 

''To me, he's a good insurance policy. If they don't re-sign me, they can pick up his option."

 

 

Payton's option is $4 million, and he knows the Sox will likely not pick that up. Of course, for all the shopping the Red Sox have done, there were no bites on Payton, according to a team source.

 

 

Damon is already an $8 million-a-year player. Would it take $10 million or $12 million a year to tie him up for four years? Would the Sox do that?

 

 

The Sox are certainly protecting themselves. They drafted speedy center fielder Jacoby Ellsbury in the first round. Of course, he'll need a couple of years of seasoning. What the Sox have to decide is whether Damon is the one who bridges the gap or whether they seek a replacement in free agency.

 

 

Damon is associated with the World Series win, the ''Idiots," as well as the intangible things like toughness and leadership. Which is why it might not be so easy to cut the cord. And maybe Damon is feeling the same way.

[elsrbueno]

yea, because having Schilling; whose been hurt all year, Wells; whose always got something wrong with him health-wise, Clement; whose pretty much been your ace this year which is pretty sad, Schmidt; whose been horendous this year plus is injured quite often, including most of this year, and Wade Miller whose been rocky the last few years and missed the begining of the season due to none other than an INJURY, is real lights out and could be compared to a fantasy rotation of Roger Clemens, Cy Young, Walter Johnson, Whitey Ford, and Sandy Koufax.....hell, we might as well say that the sox rotation with the addition of Schmidt is BETTER than the fantasy rotation i mentioned

 

as far as im concerned you could have your rotation that your dreaming about right now, it'd sure as hell help us

 

First of all, what the hell are you talking about? Since when does my assertion that my "deam" rotation being the deepest in baseball have anything to do with Cy Young or Walter Johnson?

 

Show me the evidence that suggests a HEALTHY Schilling can't come back and be the ace and anchor of this staff.

 

Clement's been our best pitcher, but how is that SAD? 8-1, 3.48 is pretty damn good. Better than any Yankee pitcher this season.

 

Wade Miller has had exactly one bad outing this season and has been very good besides. He's shown no lingering effects of the injury he suffered last season.

 

I'll give you the fact that Schmidt has been hurt this season and has struggled, but he's been one of the best pitchers in BASEBALL the past few years. Of course, an ignorant Yankee fan need not bother to read the whole post, but I put Schmidt's health and even went so far as to say IF HE REGAINS HIS FORM he'd be a great addition.

 

I f**king hate Yankee fans, and this is exactly why.

[soxie thefangirl]

Interesting. I read those in the Globe earlier.

[Sizzlin22]

Someone should start a petition to ban all Yankee fans, or at least the dumb ones who just post pictures of Jeter and Gay-Rod all day.

[Soxfan1]

I think getting shmidt here is a bad idea. I wish we would have traded fossum for rogers a few years ago. Better than BK kim cause rogers is dominating.

 

Soxie,

It's the last year on his tract and steinbrenner really wants him.

 

Women......

[elsrbueno]

I think getting shmidt here is a bad idea. I wish we would have traded fossum for rogers a few years ago. Better than BK kim cause rogers is dominating.

 

Soxie,

It's the last year on his tract and steinbrenner really wants him.

 

Women......

 

Considering that we dealt Fossum to Arizona in the Curt Schilling deal, I say we did alright with that deal. Kim was acquired for Shea Hillenbrand

[Soxfan1]

Considering that we dealt Fossum to Arizona in the Curt Schilling deal, I say we did alright with that deal. Kim was acquired for Shea Hillenbrand

Wow I got mixed up there. Never mind disregard that.

[yankeessuck013]

Schmidt had another great start last night...hes gone from despondent to dominant in less than 2 wkks

 

Schmidt allowed five hits in eight-plus innings to win consecutive starts for just the second time all season, leading the San Francisco Giants over the visiting Arizona Diamondbacks 4-0 on Wednesday night.

[yankeessuck013]

http://www.mlbsource.com/

 

who in there right mind would do that just to get schmidt?

 

this guy must be some crazy lunatic fan!!!!

[elsrbueno]

http://www.mlbsource.com/

 

who in there right mind would do that just to get schmidt?

 

this guy must be some crazy lunatic fan!!!!

 

No way. Arroyo is good right now, and Hanley is a potential future cornerstone. If I were the Giants, I'd jump all over this deal, but I don't see Theo pulling the trigger on that one. Too much to give up.

I'd much rather see the Sox invest some lesser prospects in relief arms and keep Bronson in the rotation.

 

There's some very interesting ideas there though. A fun read.

[Soxfan1]

If the O's(Jr.) and the yankees(guardado) get them then we may have a mini nl east situation.

[Zenny]

Those are some of the worst trades I have ever seen. Sean Henn for Eddie Guardado? Please. The D-Rays wouldn't even give up Joey Gathright for Henn, who is garbage, by the way.

 

Colter Bean for Mike Cameron? That's a good one. A 25 year old quad-A reliever for Mike Cameron. This website is retarded.

[Tek4pres]

The guy is just some delusional Yankee fan. He follows up his discussion of the trade deadline with a discussion of how some guy loves meatballs and a rant on Johnny Damon. Perhaps he should combine his two topics since the only thing of value that the Yankees could get for Sean Henn and Colter Bean would be a heaping plate of meatballs. They might be able to swing some sauce out of the deal if they take on the remaining balance on some other teams bad contract.