ban the chumps

[sarasoxfan]

I guess this should be in general baseball talk, but it aplies to every player.

 

What a friggin disgrace that hearing was.These guys are disgusting.

McGwire should be banned and his records stripped away.

All of them made me sick.

 

It's unfortunate that fans dont seem to be concerned about all this stuff, but frankly I think it is embarassing and repulsive.

 

He was a good player, but a cheater is a cheater.

 

The only good thing was that his testimony was so ridiculous that his public humilation might serve as a pretty signifcant punishement in the long run.

 

Much as I love him schilling was pretty pathetic also.

[sarasoxfan]

he is a republican afterall.lying comes easy.

 

"Curt Schilling, a pitcher who has been outspoken in criticizing steroid use, testified but contradicted previous public statements."

[BigPapiEnFuego]

I'm sick about hearing this steriod s***. The heck with the past, don't strip there records, FORGET IT. Make this simple, anyone who tests positive should be banned from the game indefinatly, and there records stripped. I can't blame the players for trying to make themselves better. hell, there was no testing, so they knew it they could get away with it. In my opinion, they are not dirty, but MLB f***ed itself over in this situation. steriods are only being tested for this year, so i could care less if McGwire did them back in 90, 95, or whatever.

 

 

 

This is being blown up way past ridiculous already.

[CrespoBlows]

How can we critize McGwire, I don't give a s*** if he did take steriods, HE SAVED BASEBALL! There has never been a athelete were we stopped everything we did to watch him take an at bat.

[BoSox Rule]

I love Bonds and McGwire.

[RedSoxRooter]

I liked Big Mac until the hearing. I knew he did the roids, but after the emotional opening statement, he basically acted like a prick. His responses were sarcastic and he offered absolutely nothing. It was like me in a meeting at work...

 

Sosa, who I have nothing against, came across as borderline retarded. He said whatever the rest of the panel said but in broken English.

 

Canseco - as much as I hate this ass - probably was the most honest in his opinions (not facts, but opinions). At least I agreed with some of what he said.

 

Palmeiro to me came across the best. He basically said numerous times that "whatever you want me to do, I'll do". I think he's gay by the way. He looks like a member of the Village People.:dunno: I was almost ready for him to break into "Macho Man" and pull out the cowboy hat.

 

Schilling disappointed me greatly. He turned into a tool for MLB. While it makes some sense he came out defending the Union, the agreement and even the owners, his admission that he was completely wrong with his previous statements about the percentage of players on steroids sounds absurd. He spoke of the 5-7% who tested positive in 2003 as fact, though later explained in a roundabout way that this percentage was what reopened the basic agreement. The number, of course, was probably much higher than that. And true to form, for every valid point he made, he made a stupid remark to nullify it or look like a dork that can't shut up.

 

Oh well, at least he made the point that the Red Sox were the "World Champion Boston Red Sox" right off the bat in his opening statement.

 

Something else that hit me: Selig comes across as a fool most of the time and Fehr comes across looking less like the dick I imagined.

 

The remarks from the spanish guy (from Baltimore or Florida?) near the end was probably the best statement by the panel. The fat chick from CA in the front had the best questions. The guy from Mass did a good job too.

 

I do not think that the players should be banned for past actions. They were allowed by both MLB and the union to do what they did. I really think that both Selig and Fehr should be fired instead. Why has nobody suggested this yet??? I think new leadership in baseball for both sides is the way to go.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

 

I do not think that the players should be banned for past actions. They were allowed by both MLB and the union to do what they did. I really think that both Selig and Fehr should be fired instead. Why has nobody suggested this yet??? I think new leadership in baseball for both sides is the way to go.

 

 

well put! i agree 100 percent.

[ahhchon]

i'de like to see you go to another country at the age of 20, learn their language and be able to speak it without any grammatical errors in a court while being questioned about steriod use which could possibly taint your career and humiliate you more than anything.

 

john

[RedSoxRooter]

No, you're right. If I went to the Dominican and worked there for 15 years, made millions and millions of dollars by using corked bats and taking illegal drugs, then I'd find no real reason to learn the language.

 

If ever asked about my integrity, I'd just hire someone to read my remarks for me and look like someone was sticking their finger up my ass when they asked me a simple question.

[BigPapiEnFuego]

wow... uh. There was only 1 corked bat. 1. all his other bats, including those in the hall of fame, were not corked. There is no proof, even even suspicion that he took steriods. and its not so damn easy to learn english either... my mom is puerto rican and she moved here in the early 80's and still doesn't speak english 100 percent correct.

[CrespoBlows]

Uh yeah, there's suspision Sosa's been on roids. But I have nothing against him, because he and McGwire are the reason baseball is back on the upswing. But he look like a retard

[element1151]

I'm sick about hearing this steriod s***. The heck with the past, don't strip there records, FORGET IT. Make this simple, anyone who tests positive should be banned from the game indefinatly, and there records stripped. I can't blame the players for trying to make themselves better. hell, there was no testing, so they knew it they could get away with it. In my opinion, they are not dirty, but MLB f***ed itself over in this situation. steriods are only being tested for this year, so i could care less if McGwire did them back in 90, 95, or whatever.

I do not think that the players should be banned for past actions. They were allowed by both MLB and the union to do what they did. I really think that both Selig and Fehr should be fired instead. Why has nobody suggested this yet??? I think new leadership in baseball for both sides is the way to go.

well put! i agree 100 percent.

Um OK.

 

Anyway, I didn't watch these, but heard McGwire's emotional act, maybe if he was a women he would have got away, but hasn't anyone told him that doesn't work for guys. We all know you did it, either say yes, and have a little respect, or say no and have people label you a liar. He did the worst thing possible by saying 'no comment' now everyone knows he did them without a doubt. Does he need a lawyer, because even I know that no comment was a bad thing to say.

[ahhchon]

No, you're right. If I went to the Dominican and worked there for 15 years, made millions and millions of dollars by using corked bats and taking illegal drugs, then I'd find no real reason to learn the language.

 

If ever asked about my integrity, I'd just hire someone to read my remarks for me and look like someone was sticking their finger up my ass when they asked me a simple question.

 

oh, i didn't realize you were one of those people that didn't think before they spoke. now that i have come to this realization i won't have remarks toward your posts anymore.

 

john

[BigPapiEnFuego]

yeah, about the 3 quotes, i ment in the first that players who test positive now, after the testing and rules are in place, should be banned. In RedSoxRooter's post the line you bolded, i think he ment pretty much the same as me, that players should not be banned for admiting to usuing steriods before the testing was in place.

[element1151]

But Steroids has always been against the rules of America throughout this whole thing. Doesn't matter weather MLB thinks they are illegal when they are against the country's law. So that would still be a double standard IMO.

[RedSoxRooter]

oh, i didn't realize you were one of those people that didn't think before they spoke. now that i have come to this realization i won't have remarks toward your posts anymore.

 

john

Fine by me, john. Here.

http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0000VCZ5W.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg

[Sox fan in Tex]

he is a republican afterall.lying comes easy.

 

sara...

http://re2.mm-a.yimg.com/image/727367158

 

Not going to get into it, but OBSESSION WITH REPUBLICANS NOTED. The thread is about steroids, stick to topic.

[sarasoxfan]

the notion that McGwire saved baseball is ridiculous. Even if he did how is that supposed to forgive him for cheating. Does his succes somehow excuse the reality that the big oaff cheated!!!!!

 

His perfomrance the other day was disgusting.

 

Red Sox Rooter desrbibed things the best. However, the comment about players being banned for past actions, I have a little problem with.

 

MLB has always had policies about controlled substances. The fact that there were no specific policies about steroids in MLB dsoesnt mean that arent laws that citizens of the land (including baseball players) must abide by.

 

These guys broke the law, cheated in the game and should be punished pure and simple. The fact that they inarticulate idiots isnt a crime, but cheating is.

 

If anyone thinks McGwire saved the game, which is beyond ridiculous, they should be more pissed off that he did by cheating. I am.

[sarasoxfan]

In terms of cheatin' sammy--i thought this article in the washington post described his disengenous, pathetic, inarticulate and stupid ramblings better than anyone--noting, fo course, that sammy tried to use the language thing to hide the truth...kind of tike that idiot bonds playing the black card, implying that he is being persecuted becasue he is black and that his rags to riches climb into the majors somehow exonerates him from abiding by the law..Of course, he neglects to mention that his dad was major leaguer and I would imagine the ghetto he grew up in isnt in fort apache the bronx or watts..These guys insults the fans, the game and themselves, and I pray they dont get into the Hall--at least after the other day their cheating will always be assoicated with whatever they accomplished and that is an asterisk--that will plague them for ever.

There is a prcie to pay when you make a deal with the devil and these guys are finding out it can be huge.

 

from Boswell in the washington Post:

 

"And what of Sosa? He spoke in a soft voice. He brought an interpreter and a lawyer who read his statement for him despite the fact that those of us who know him from the baseball beat realize that he is perfectly fluent in English. That Sosa statement was a 99.9 percent total denial of any use of steroids. However, cynics may parse his words in search of legal loopholes.

 

"To be clear, I have never taken illegal performance-enhancing drugs. I have never injected myself or had anyone inject me with anything. I've not broken the laws of the Unites States or the laws of the Dominican Republic," Sosa's statement read. "I have been tested as recently as 2004 and I am clean."

 

It is an awful world we live in. Within minutes of the statement's dissemination a veteran baseball writer said, "So, I guess that doesn't quite cover taking steroids orally if they were prescribed legally by a Dominican doctor."

[sarasoxfan]

"McGwire's testimony was painful to watch. Either his lawyers miscalculated, or their client had no ability to sidestep questions as easily as other witnesses. Many times, his only answer was: "I'm retired." He sounded like Hyman Roth, the Meyer Lansky-type character in "The Godfather, Part II" who upon his arrest kept repeating: "I'm a retired investor living on a pension."

[CrespoBlows]

the notion that McGwire saved baseball is ridiculous. Even if he did how is that supposed to forgive him for cheating. Does his succes somehow excuse the reality that the big oaff cheated!!!!!

 

His perfomrance the other day was disgusting.

 

Red Sox Rooter desrbibed things the best. However, the comment about players being banned for past actions, I have a little problem with.

 

MLB has always had policies about controlled substances. The fact that there were no specific policies about steroids in MLB dsoesnt mean that arent laws that citizens of the land (including baseball players) must abide by.

 

These guys broke the law, cheated in the game and should be punished pure and simple. The fact that they inarticulate idiots isnt a crime, but cheating is.

 

 

If anyone thinks McGwire saved the game, which is beyond ridiculous, they should be more pissed off that he did by cheating. I am.

 

Oh yeah, fans came back to see Timo Perez bunt. Why else did the fans come back? I don't know about you, but I watched everyone of McGwire's at bats, I watched every Cardinal game, I know a lot of people who started getting into baseball because of Mac. He cheated, and everyone knows it, but we don't know if he used them in '98, and remember he was great without the juice too. 49 HR's in his rookie year.

[sarasoxfan]

I guess I dont get the logic of saying that he cheated and evryone knows but since we were entertained by him, what the hell.

 

I seem to remember follwing the sox with as much enthusaism as ever back then.

As far as saving the game,

come on thats a bit of an overstatement.

 

a lot of injuries after those 49 hrs and diminmsihing skills and then boom..

 

the incedible Hulk, come on--fans have got stop turning the other cheek and dismissing these kinds of crimes merely becasue the guys are good.

[CrespoBlows]

So your logic that you rooted for the Sox just as much as you do know, applies to everyone else? What about the common fan? What were they watching back in '98?

[sarasoxfan]

you said what about you? so I answered.

[Yanksin2010]

Schilling...dork that can't shut up.

Any news lately?

[RedSoxRooter]

Any news lately?

Other than the Yankees choking last year, no.

[Yanksin2010]

Other than the Yankees choking last year, no.

Sounds like you're a little behind the times.

[sarasoxfan]

here's something topical

heat 97, knicks 82

[gosox613]

Uh yeah, there's suspision Sosa's been on roids. But I have nothing against him, because he and McGwire are the reason baseball is back on the upswing. But he look like a retard

 

i dont think it is reasonable to say that sosa is supected to have taken steroids, are you suggesting that he lied under oath? that is a huge offense. plus, he didnt go from skinny to ripped like mcgwire. i do agree with the comment about mcgwire saving baseball and he should therefore be left alone, but sosa would have saved it if mcgwire didnt because sosa also broke the record. plus i am sick of everyone making a big deal about mcgwire. he took steroids? NO s***!!!! shaunessy is writing a bunch of articles about being "duped" by mcgwire, probably just looking for something to write

[CrespoBlows]

i dont think it is reasonable to say that sosa is supected to have taken steroids, are you suggesting that he lied under oath? that is a huge offense. plus, he didnt go from skinny to ripped like mcgwire. i do agree with the comment about mcgwire saving baseball and he should therefore be left alone, but sosa would have saved it if mcgwire didnt because sosa also broke the record. plus i am sick of everyone making a big deal about mcgwire. he took steroids? NO s***!!!! shaunessy is writing a bunch of articles about being "duped" by mcgwire, probably just looking for something to write

 

You ever look at Sosa when he was with the Rangers? Damn he was skinner than an aneroxic person with a 50 calorie diet.

 

You think people don't lie under oath? Happens all the time.

 

I agree with you on everything else though