Canseco's book

[Soxfan1]

Ok here are my thoughts:

 

canseco is full of s***. I don't know the whole story but he's poor. He was just trying to sell his world series ring a while back. He's trying to brainwash us and is getting us hyped up for his book.

[RedSox24]

i totally see where you're coming from. BUT you gotta realize that there is some bias coming from that espn episode. i mean how would they look if they didn't condone steroids, if they said it barely made a difference? people would complain if tomorrow was the last day of earths existance.

 

it is proven (too lazy to find link) that the gains from steroids adds about 3 yards to the distance a baseball is hit. that does make a difference between warning track balls and home runs. but it's not something that changes the record books dramatically. take steroids away from bonds and he still has 550-600 + hr's. take them away from canseco and he will still have over 400, take them away from mcgwire and he still has over 500. these guys are monsters and hit hr's period.

 

the arguement is for guys like renteria. his warning track balls are now hr's. but how often is that? so he'll get a max (pretty extreme max imo) of 10 hr's more per season. that's not something that changes the game.

 

people make steriods out to be the worst thing in the world. it isn't, taken correctly in the proper doses can really be benificial. there are side effects but anything overdone does also. many pro bodybuilders are on steriods, they are not sick, falling apart or get cancer from steroids. the reason is because they know how to take the drugs and in the right doses. i've contemplated taking steroids (yes OMFG i'm a bad person). but the fact that i would have to stick a needle in myself is just gross. i hate needles.

 

i can play the devils advocate all day long on this issue, i have midters to study for. i'll get back with info on how sterioids work and how they can be done properly. if you want to learn how steroids work check out these forums.

 

http://www.bodybuilding.com and for more serious lifters

http://www.chadnicholls.net/forums/index.php? aka muscle mayhem forums.

 

john

 

p.s.- i used to lift pretty seriously, hence why i contemplated steroids (i was obsessed with gains)..

 

You may say you know everything about steroids and know everything about everything, tell me why my good friend just died from using steroids.

[RedSox24]

 

steroids is just blown out of proportion by the media. any knowledgeable user knows that it's pretty damn safe.

 

john

 

Tell that to my friend who is now dead from roids.

[ahhchon]

Tell that to my friend who is now dead from roids.

 

i can't because he's dead.

 

no offence to your friend, but his death is due to his own fault. i know people who have used steriods and i know people who are currently still on steroids. done properly steroids CAN be safe. your friend, sorry to say, was probably a kid who wanted to get big quick..

 

john

 

p.s.- i hate to jump to assumptions so quick about your friends so give me some info on his age, how long he took roids for, time in which he took them, what kinds did he take and where he got them from.

[Sox fan in Tex]

i can't because he's dead.

 

no offence to your friend, but his death is due to his own fault. i know people who have used steriods and i know people who are currently still on steroids. done properly steroids CAN be safe. your friend, sorry to say, was probably a kid who wanted to get big quick..

 

http://uploads.thawall.net/pics/funnies/ban_him-1.jpg

 

Most classless response I've ever seen on talksox. Do it yeszir!

[element1151]

Sorry. Not going to happen. John was just making the point the roids are safe, you just have to know what you are doing. Like driving a car, if you know how to drive, you won't likely die, but if you don't know how then you have a greater chance of dieing.

[ahhchon]

http://uploads.thawall.net/pics/funnies/ban_him-1.jpg

 

Most classless response I've ever seen on talksox. Do it yeszir!

 

reality check bro,

 

yezsir will not ban me. not for this at least. why are you not saying why your friend used steroids? was he 12, was he not advised how to use it properly? did he not ask for advice..

 

that's all i can assume if you're afraid to speak up. lets see a newspaper article, an arbituary. proof that he died and how he died. i get way too skeptical about these online stories.

 

john

[yankthis]

I'd agree that he's doing this thing to make a quick buck.

 

But if I wanted to know who shoots up and who doesn't, he's the first guy I'd ask.

 

And of the bunch who are currently speaking in public on the issue, he is the first one I'd believe. He seems to be the only one who is willing to say that somebody other than Jose Canseco did it as well.

[sarasoxfan]

I agree that was a low point in posting, but not bannable.

 

The delusional opinion that steroids are safe is the kind of myopic thinking that prevails with some, and those are typically the ones that think they can handle it.

 

And end up OD'ing, or freaking out.

 

For some reason there is subset (more like a cult) of people on here that have created for themselves the idea that steroids are fine and that cheating is okay.

You can show them a picture of barry bonds looking like karen carpenter and then one of him looking hulk hogan and they say so what.

 

No amount of press and or senseless death will change their minds.

 

steroids are like driving a car..I mean with that thiknking as logic how can any facts penetrate a wall of ignornance like that.

 

It's no wonder that with thinking like that that you would see such a brutual and insensitive post like that. It isnt surprising when you consider the source.

[Radgeta]

I like the BAN HIM picture. Canseco did steroids. Caminiti did steroids. Jason Giambi did steriods. They are all paying (or paid in Caminiti's case) for using steriods. Giambi got really sick from the withdrawl Caminiti had a heart attack and Canseco became metally insane. Don't take steriods.

[Radgeta]

Like driving a car, if you know how to drive, you won't likely die, but if you don't know how then you have a greater chance of dieing.

I Get your point, except people are licensed to drive cars. When driving to fast you get a ticket not an overdose.

[RedSox24]

I dont know all the specifics we weren't great friends but we talked and stuff and i dont know everything all i know is that hes now dead and steroids helped kill him. And no he wasnt 12, he was 19 and maybe he wasnt taking them as he should, i dont know. What i do know is that they are illegal for a reason.

[ahhchon]

I dont know all the specifics we weren't great friends but we talked and stuff and i dont know everything all i know is that hes now dead and steroids helped kill him. And no he wasnt 12, he was 19 and maybe he wasnt taking them as he should, i dont know. What i do know is that they are illegal for a reason.

 

pot is illegal, for what reason? drinking under the age of 21 is illegal when statistically and psychologically it is proven that a drinking age of 18 is better for the social developement and mental developement of people.

 

john

[CrespoBlows]

pot is illegal, for what reason? drinking under the age of 21 is illegal when statistically and psychologically it is proven that a drinking age of 18 is better for the social developement and mental developement of people.

 

john

 

actually that guy that RedSox24 is talking about, took a patch that your only supposed to leave on for 15 minutes, he smoked pot while he put it on, and forgot it was there, went to sleep and died 8 hrs later

[sarasoxfan]

other than the moronic statement that steroids are a good thing, this is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life, and I have heard a lot fof dumbass things, from my mouth and from others but this takes the cake.

 

statistically and psychologically it is proven that a drinking age of 18 is better for the social developement and mental developement of people.

 

Who put these statistics together Marvel comics.

 

I am trying not to get in arguments with you John, but you say the stupidest I have ever heard.

 

From your defense of steriods to this....what is wrong with you. Clearly you drank at an early age and probably did take steroids becasue it has had a adverse effect.

[sarasoxfan]

I apologize john in advance for getting personal, but you have defended pot smoking, steroid use and teen drinking plus made some very callous remrks about a dead guy and I just dont see how you can take the positions you do and come down on the obvious wrong side of every issue discussed in here. Your consistency defies the imagination.

[sarasoxfan]

The information posted below wasnt in marvel comics, but surely must make you reconsider the stupidity you posted earlier.

For once, admit you have made a mistake and let's get back to the business of the redsox.

This is a big moment for you--are you up to it.??????

 

According to research by the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, adolescents who begin drinking before age 15 are four times more likely to develop alcohol dependence than those who begin drinking at age 21.

An early age of drinking onset is also associated with alcohol-related violence.

It has been estimated that over three million teenagers are out-and-out alcoholics. Several million more have a serious drinking problem that they cannot manage on their own. The three leading causes of death for 15- to 24-year-olds are automobile crashes, homicides and suicides -- alcohol is a leading factor in all three.

While drinking may be a singular problem behavior for some, research suggests that for others it may be an expression of general adolescent turmoil that includes other problem behaviors and that these behaviors are linked to unconventionality, impulsiveness, and sensation seeking.

Binge drinking, often beginning around age 13, tends to increase during adolescence, peak in young adulthood (ages 18-22), then gradually decrease. Individuals who increase their binge drinking from age 18 to 24 and those who consistently binge drink at least once a week during this period may have problems attaining the goals typical of the transition from adolescence to young adulthood (e.g., marriage, educational attainment, employment, and financial independence).

[ahhchon]

The information posted below wasnt in marvel comics, but surely must make you reconsider the stupidity you posted earlier.

For once, admit you have made a mistake and let's get back to the business of the redsox.

This is a big moment for you--are you up to it.??????

 

this is the problem with you. YOU DO NOT READ. i clearly stated the age of 18. there is a difference. have you ever taken a developemental psychology class? hammer of god said that he was a psych. major, i'm sure he knows what i'm talking about. again, when the semester is over i'll extend information on this.

 

I apologize john in advance for getting personal, but you have defended pot smoking, steroid use and teen drinking plus made some very callous remrks about a dead guy and I just dont see how you can take the positions you do and come down on the obvious wrong side of every issue discussed in here. Your consistency defies the imagination.

 

once again, read what i say. i didn't defend pot smoking. i related it to something. pot smoking is not the end of the world. it's no worse than drinking. how many drunk driving incidents are there per year comepared to pot related accidents. the ratio is utterly insane.

 

other than the moronic statement that steroids are a good thing, this is the dumbest thing I have ever heard in my life, and I have heard a lot fof dumbass things, from my mouth and from others but this takes the cake.

 

statistically and psychologically it is proven that a drinking age of 18 is better for the social developement and mental developement of people.

 

Who put these statistics together Marvel comics.

 

I am trying not to get in arguments with you John, but you say the stupidest I have ever heard.

 

From your defense of steriods to this....what is wrong with you. Clearly you drank at an early age and probably did take steroids becasue it has had a adverse effect.

 

look at your attempts to figure out why i say what i say, it's pathetic. here's a reality check for you, i don't drink socially and when school allows for it, i have drank once since the fall semester started (school is my priority), i have never used steroids and i haven't smoked pot in over 3 months.

 

it is actually provent that allowing drinking in freshman college dorms are better for the mental and social developement of 18 yr olds.

 

actually that guy that RedSox24 is talking about, took a patch that your only supposed to leave on for 15 minutes, he smoked pot while he put it on, and forgot it was there, went to sleep and died 8 hrs later

 

perfect crespo, you make my life easier. what killed him? the pot, the patch, or his stupidity? there are 2 kids of marijuana, an uplifting sative and a downer strain, not everyone who smokes pot falls asleep. maybe he was sparking up a goodnight bowl. i don't know. there are way too many variables in the situation to properly judge what happened. you just gotta look outside the box.

 

first of all he shouldn't have been using steriods if he's dumb enough to fall asleep while wearing the patch that isn't supposed to be worn for more than 15 minutes. (i would also like to know what kind of patch it was so i could do more research on it, who knows, something he ate earlier could have had a reaction with the patch and killed him).

 

my point is that if he wasn't such an idiot he wouldn't have died. i have no sympathy whatsoever for him.

 

john

[sarasoxfan]

I knew you wouldnt rise to the occasion. just knew it.

[sarasoxfan]

you're unmitgated moron with no brain and clearly no heart.

 

"my point is that if he wasn't such an idiot he wouldn't have died. i have no sympathy whatsoever for him. "

 

I have no interest in ever reading anything you have to say becasue in the end each post is stupider than the next. You're a heartless *******.

 

I dont know how anyone could say what you just said. I hope you suffer the same fate . douche bag.

 

these guys say they know the guy and you have th nuggets to come up with that.

 

Man, you are loser, dude, just an opinionated loser.

have a nice life

 

 

..

[ahhchon]

grow up man. opinions are like *******s everyone has one. you have one too.

 

you need to realize that not everyone shares the same views as you. i have no sympathy for that kid, none whatsoever. if that makes me a heartless person to YOU, then so be it. no skin off my back. if you can't carry out a debate without using insults that 5th graders use then i couldn't possibly think you could handle thinking outside of the box.

 

john

 

p.s.- thanks, i do plan on having a nice life, in fact i am opening up my own physical therapy clinic that is suitable for people of all types and ses. but beware, i'm a heartless person!

[sarasoxfan]

I'm sure you'll have patients lined up around the block...

 

[ahhchon]

I'm sure you'll have patients lined up around the block...

 

 

what are you trying to do when you say something like that? provoke me to join some elementry arguement with many grammatical errors?

 

i guess if i were at your level of maturity i would say something along the lines of :

 

"f you man, u dun know crap bout me so y dunt you shut ur mouf"

 

but i'm not, so i guess you'll have to look elsewhere for that, try your local middle school. but in all honesty, if you are done with someone make sure you're done, don't come back and try to get the last word, if you're the bigger man act it. if you can't, then don't pretend. your comment makes you look like an immature fool. though i know you are not. it's unfortunate that i brought out your bad side, usually it's the opposite with people i meet.

 

john

[sarasoxfan]

last word.

[CrespoBlows]

perfect crespo, you make my life easier. what killed him? the pot, the patch, or his stupidity? there are 2 kids of marijuana, an uplifting sative and a downer strain, not everyone who smokes pot falls asleep. maybe he was sparking up a goodnight bowl. i don't know. there are way too many variables in the situation to properly judge what happened. you just gotta look outside the box.

 

first of all he shouldn't have been using steriods if he's dumb enough to fall asleep while wearing the patch that isn't supposed to be worn for more than 15 minutes. (i would also like to know what kind of patch it was so i could do more research on it, who knows, something he ate earlier could have had a reaction with the patch and killed him).

 

my point is that if he wasn't such an idiot he wouldn't have died. i have no sympathy whatsoever for him.

 

john

 

Calm down, I agree with you totally. I have a measure of sympathy for his family, but none for the kid.

 

I believe the kid was taking either a pain reliving patch, or a narcotics patch.

[ahhchon]

i'm not exactly sure where in my post i came across as not being calm. i was completely calm when i wrote it. don't get me wrong, i feel bad for his family and whoever cares about him because losing a family member/friend sucks, but for him, non whatsoever, he could die over 10 times and it would mean squat to me.

 

i'm still very skeptical on what the issue was. what directly killed him? the patch or the pot. what indirectly killed him, his stupidity or the pot? from what i have read so far it seems as if the patch was the direct cause of death (due to being on longer than 15mins) and the indirect cause of his death was stupidity. one could easily blame it on pot due to the fact that he might have fallen asleep due to the effects of some strains of marijuana but the underlying fact is that he's stupid. again, this is opinoin is concluded from the information given to me.

 

john

[CrespoBlows]

you nailed it

[CrespoBlows]

you nailed it

[ahhchon]

my knickname isn't "hammer" for nothing.

 

john

[sarasoxfan]

You're definitely a tool, for sure. lol