Javier Vazquez to Boston?

[ahhchon]

I probably will hate Wright because he'll probably go on the DL on his second start. But I doubt I'll hate pavano by the end of the season. He doesn't rely on strikeouts to get outs like javy did.

 

you're right, he didn't rely on K's he relied in groundouts and flyouts. he and yankee fans are in for a rude awakening. being able to K is very important in pitching. it gives you that edge, that dimension, it makes hitters think more. if you can't K a hitter you won't be able to make them chase balls as often, swing at bad pitches as often. pavano is no greg maddux.

 

john

[Yanksin2010]

you're right, he didn't rely on K's he relied in groundouts and flyouts. he and yankee fans are in for a rude awakening. being able to K is very important in pitching. it gives you that edge, that dimension, it makes hitters think more. if you can't K a hitter you won't be able to make them chase balls as often, swing at bad pitches as often. pavano is no greg maddux.

 

john

Well when a strikeout pitcher like javy can't strikeout anybody out, it makes a hitters job ver easy.

[ahhchon]

6.81 k per 9 isn't terrible. but then again, i thought we were talking about carl pavano. on wait, we were. nice try though

 

john

[Yanksin2010]

6.81 k per 9 isn't terrible. but then again, i thought we were talking about carl pavano. on wait, we were. nice try though

 

john

That doesn't bother me, I just know he can't fall apart like javy.

[ahhchon]

how so?

 

considering javy had better pre al numbers than pavano in all but 1 category that counted.

 

john

[Yanksin2010]

how so?

 

considering javy had better pre al numbers than pavano in all but 1 category that counted.

 

john

Gut feeling.

[ahhchon]

lol, i dig that reply.

 

john

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Pavano will be seeing a lot of this....

 

AL vs. NL All Star Game

 

6th inning David Ortiz (1) 2 run shot to center off Pavano, Guerrero scored.

[Yanksin2010]

Pavano will be seeing a lot of this....

 

AL vs. NL All Star Game

 

6th inning David Ortiz (1) 2 run shot to center off Pavano, Guerrero scored.

Huh?

[stocker323]

Huh?

 

I think he means Ortiz will hit a lot of homers off of him.

[I LOVE WOMENS VOLLEYBALL]

I think he means Ortiz will hit a lot of homers off of him.

 

or does he have some insider info that we're trading mirrabelli for vlad????

[SchillingIsTheNatural]

Its what happened in the all star game this last year. Ortiz hit a homer off Pavano. I'm saying Ortiz will feast on him along with the rest of the Sox players.

[Yanksin2010]

Its what happened in the all star game this last year. Ortiz hit a homer off Pavano. I'm saying Ortiz will feast on him along with the rest of the Sox players.

Same will happen to clement.

[2090]

Same will happen to clement.

Exactly.

 

 

BTW, if Javier Vazquez went to Boston, he would give up as many homeruns as Manny would hit.

[stevece80]

Exactly.

 

 

BTW, if Javier Vazquez went to Boston, he would give up as many homeruns as Manny would hit.

 

Why, because Fenway is a bad park for home runs, especially against right handed pitchers? If Vazquez went to Boston, he'd actually have a pitching coach.

[ClementRulez30]

No that wouold be a bad idea look what he did in NY!!! Its almost the same pressure!!! Lets try and get someone good!!!

[BigPapiEnFuego]

He had arm problems and mechanics screwups in NEw York. Look at his stats this season:

 

 

W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR BB SO

5 4 4.38 12 12 2 1 0 0 78.0 87 39 38 8 8 69

 

 

IT was way better then that, but his last time out he had only 4 innings pitched and 8 runs given up. before that start his ERA was 3.65

[ClementRulez30]

Well Kim had mechanical promblems with the red sox so it might happen to Javier because its a lot of pressure

[example1]

We don't need Vasquez. He would be like getting another Clement (at best), which is a pitcher who can keep you in games but not win them on his own. The Sox need a pitcher who can SHUT THEM DOWN, and cause some intimidation when he's on the mound. What we need is Schilling back on the mound to cement this staff and give our team some confidence. Right now there is just no room for error at this team is showing that.

[Sizzlin22]

We have more than enough starting pitching... isn't this thread old as hell anyways?

[ClementRulez30]

HAHA yeah it is!!!and we dont need Javier!!! We do have more than enoughg pitching and they havent been doing good lately!!!

[elsrbueno]

We have more than enough starting pitching... isn't this thread old as hell anyways?

 

I would be careful saying we have "more than enough" starting pitching.

 

Arroyo has been shaky of late, Wells and Miller have health concerns, who knows when Schilling's coming back, and even though Clement has been the team's best pitcher, he's far from a guarantee.

 

I'm not saying go hard after Vazquez (even though he's a better pitcher than Clement IMO), but I wouldn't say we have more than enough pitching.

[soxie thefangirl]

we definitely don't have near enough pitching, nevermind good pitching.

[ahhchon]

We don't need Vasquez. He would be like getting another Clement (at best), which is a pitcher who can keep you in games but not win them on his own. The Sox need a pitcher who can SHUT THEM DOWN, and cause some intimidation when he's on the mound. What we need is Schilling back on the mound to cement this staff and give our team some confidence. Right now there is just no room for error at this team is showing that.

 

when will people realize that you can't have a 1-5 that can "SHUT DOWN" the other team. people have seen 1-2 punches, even 1-2-3. but to get another guy like schilling? what kind of crazy crack pipe are you smoking my friend?

 

 

btw- vazquez is BETTER than clement at his best. it's close but i think he's better. what if he's just another clement? i wouldn't mind having another clement on the team, especially if his name is javier vazquez. the kid eats innings, other than his first 2 seasons he's pitched over 200 innings (he missed it by 2 with the yankees last year, 198).

 

i sure wouldn't mind:

schilling

clement

vazquez

arroyo

my mom

 

also, lets get back to this pavano clement thing..

 

as of yesterday:

clement has 9 quality starts as opposed to pavano's 7

clement has the K/9 advantage but pavano has walked 16 less batters

clement has about a mid 3 era whereas pavano has a mid 5

 

so far clement has been the better pitcher but the season is not even half over, pavano is not pitching as well as i thought he would, i was expecting a high 3 to low 4 era. clement is doing a pretty decent job minus the 3 or 4 blowups he's had.

 

john

[Zenny]

We don't really need Vazquez and he wouldn't be worth the price. Schilling is coming back. Miller and Clement are at least very good #2 starters. Arroyo is a very good #3 and would be at least a 2 on other teams. Wells can still bring it as we saw in his last start against the Yankees. Wake is just having another one of his horrible stretches that he'll snap out of before the month is over and he'll be good the rest of the way. I'm not concerned with the rotation.

[Sizzlin22]

Arroyo will be fine the only two I really worry about is Wells and Miller and Javier woudn't be an upgrade on either of them.

[Zenny]

Why are you worried about Miller? He's over his shoulder trouble and has had only one bad start all season and it was on turf.

[ahhchon]

how is javier vazquez not an upgrade over david wells? i'm not saying we need i'm, i'm just talking about it.

 

john

[ClementRulez30]

I would be careful saying we have "more than enough" starting pitching.

 

Arroyo has been shaky of late, Wells and Miller have health concerns, who knows when Schilling's coming back, and even though Clement has been the team's best pitcher, he's far from a guarantee.

 

I'm not saying go hard after Vazquez (even though he's a better pitcher than Clement IMO), but I wouldn't say we have more than enough pitching.

 

Vazquez might be good, but the way it looked when he was on the yankees, That he cant pitch well under pressure.

[elsrbueno]

To be honest, I still worry a little bit about Clement, just because he's had so much trouble commanding in the past.

 

Vazquez had a great first half of the season with NY, so you're basically looking at one bad half season, which just about every pitcher in baseball has had at some point in his career.

 

If Schill comes back soon, and Wells and Wake get on track, this team doesn't need Vazquez... My original point (which I'm still trying to back) is that this team doesn't have "More than enough" pitching-- we're 12th in the AL in ERA!!

 

Realistically, I don't see Arizona trading Vazquez during the season anyway.. they're only 3.5 games back in a very weak division (meaning they could make a run), and Javy's signed awhile.