Huge Signing By Red Sox

[stocker323]

The majority of the teams in the AL do not have great pitching. Besides Oakland and ourselves, I really dont consider a lot of staffs having great pitching. So if Tek can only hit bad pitching that's fine because there is more "bad" pitching than "good" pitching in this league.

[ahhchon]

check out that link i've provided. it shows all the teams tek has played against. the teams he's batted well against generally are known or do have poor pitching. the teams he bats poor against generally are known or do have good pitching.

 

i'de say the yanks have had good pitching over teks career, same with atlanta, who has had one of the best, if not the best staff over teks career. same with oakland and seattle.

 

look at the teams he's batted well against. tampa, angels, chicago, KC, Guardians, detroit, twins, blue jays. all teams with subpar pitching. throughout teks career.

 

john

[sarasoxfan]

all right..all right. he sucks.

[ahhchon]

Originally posted by sarasoxfan@Dec 11 2004, 06:40 PM

all right..all right. he sucks.

lol. i feel like i'm pressuring you to believe what i believe. i want to convince you that tek is on the decline with facts. i still don't think i have done a good job yet. the stats i have provided are iffy.

 

it has been pointed out that some of his numbers have increased in the past 3 seasons. i want to show/prove that it is because of the amount of poor pitchers he has faced compared to the good pitchers.

 

i think one way is to show how the pitchers in the al east have gotten worse and worse. the yankees/baltimore/toronto/tampa have all had worse pitching this year than they have had last year i believe.

 

maybe zen can help me out with this one.

 

john

[Zenny]

Originally posted by ahhchon@Dec 11 2004, 07:44 PM

maybe zen can help me out with this one.

I had the perfect article bookmarked on my last version of Windows, but a virus ate my computer and I installed XP, so I lost the bookmark. Give me 15 minutes and I should have the article again.

[sarasoxfan]

he makes the tag...over the top rope comes zen....

 

 

 

passd the peace pipe and let's just all get along..

 

I hope they sign pedro this weekend, too.

[ahhchon]

longest 15 mins of my life right here man. lol

 

no doubt, getting along > than argueing. and PLEASE PLEASE sign pedro. i'de really hate for my all time fav pitcher to be elsewhere.

 

as for wells. those numbers are pretty sexy for a #3 guy. (assuming we sign pedro).

 

personally i think he'll do well. but i think he'll get eaten alive by the monster. his home road stats are going to be poor imo.

 

john

[CrespoBlows]

Let me get back on topic

 

Predections on Wells' stats? He has a great record against the Yankees, so I'm predecting

 

16-7 3.67 ERA 30 BB 175 K

[sarasoxfan]

what took you crespo...

[Zenny]

Sorry, can't find the article. Basically, what it did was take Baseball Reference's top comparisons for Varitek and all the catchers in the Hall of Fame and showed how they performed after age 32. They all had a sharp decline, except for the ever-immortal Carlton Fisk. Tek is not Fisk. Tek is not even playing the same game as Fisk, so there is no comparison to be made there.

 

The real kicker for me is the road stats. It's common knowledge that catchers are always the first to decline and any kind of long-term contract for Varitek like this is just too much. But when the guy has a .320 OBP and barely .400 SLG% in MLB's 29 other ballparks (and even worse against our top competition for playoff spots) it's just not good to be paying him $10 million a year when he's maxed out and is only going to be getting worse from here.

 

Sara, sorry if I was harsh before. Pass the pipe this way.

[sarasoxfan]

here...take a puff...

 

I took it away from John anyway, becasue he said signing edgar was stupid....

[CrespoBlows]

Vartiek is much more valuble then stats would indicate, the thing about 'Tek is that he is a clubhouse leader, and the leader of a pitching staff. He spends hours upon hours studying batters to prepare a good game. That alone is why he should be resigned.

[Zenny]

Originally posted by CrespoBlows@Dec 11 2004, 07:59 PM

Vartiek is much more valuble then stats would indicate, the thing about 'Tek is that he is a clubhouse leader, and the leader of a pitching staff. He spends hours upon hours studying batters to prepare a good game. That alone is why he should be resigned.

The only catcher in MLB who doesn't take the time to sit down and prepare with his pitchers is A.J. Pierzynski because he's too busy playing cards, ask Brett Tomko that one. All catchers do this. It's not like Tek is some anomoly (Spelling? f*** it, I'm not looking it up.) That's part of their job; they all sit down with pitchers to review a strategy for the day's game and how to attack certain hitters. Tek is not the only one.

 

I wish that Brian Schneider trade was back on the table. I really like that guy.

[ahhchon]

Originally posted by CrespoBlows@Dec 11 2004, 06:59 PM

Vartiek is much more valuble then stats would indicate, the thing about 'Tek is that he is a clubhouse leader, and the leader of a pitching staff. He spends hours upon hours studying batters to prepare a good game. That alone is why he should be resigned.

maybe he spends hours upon hours because he's slow at picking things up :thumbsup: lol, just kidding. i look up to his work ethic, but most catchers spend a lot of time with their sp's. mirabelli spends just as much time with them than tek does during practices. if he were to have the starting role i'm sure he would put a ton of effort into videos of the opponents.

 

as for "clubhouse leader". i think that's an overrated position in baseball. baseball is not a sport where you can pump guys up like football and basketball and cause them to run harder etc. baseball is pure mechanical skill. you can't pump up a guy and have him hit a baseball better. that just doesn't happen. not to my knowledge at least.

 

john

[CrespoBlows]

What about Shoppach? Can he be a major league player? He's hitting below the mendoza line in Mexico.

[ahhchon]

i'm not sure if we can get a non biased kelley shoppach review from zen. he has such a shoppach fetish :-)

 

john

[Zenny]

Originally posted by CrespoBlows@Dec 11 2004, 08:04 PM

What about Shoppach? Can he be a major league player? He's hitting below the mendoza line in Mexico.

He's tired. The same thing happened to him in the AFL last season. It's a long season. I mean, it's December for Christ's sake. He's been catching since the end of February. He needs to rest.

 

He did make a lot of improvements starting in August last year though. He hit .267/.375/.600/.975 in August (75 AB's) and .278/.316/.556/.872 in September (only 18 AB's). Granted, his AB/K was still high at ~2.75, but that was in line with his seasonal AB/K, which shows he knows how to hit even when he does whiff a lot.

 

Shoppach is going to be a starting catcher at the MLB level some day. It's likely not going to be 2005 and if Varitek returns, it will not be with the Red Sox (we'll just draft another catcher or find one in Latin America to replace Varitek by 2009, should he sign), but he will get a starting job with someone someday. He has too much power and ability to take walks for someone not to at least give him a shot somewhere down the road.

[Chitalian Stallion]

news form PGammons- sox sign pitcher J. halalma, will likely battle for long-relief spot

[yankeessuck013]

since we signed wells instead of pavano does that mean we will/or have the best chance to get ben sheets in 2006?

[Zenny]

Originally posted by yankeessuck013@Dec 12 2004, 11:04 AM

since we signed wells instead of pavano does that mean we will/or have the best chance to get ben sheets in 2006?

That's what I heard and I am drooling at the possiblity. Ben Sheets is a thousand times better than Carl Pavano. Let me put it this way: Ben Sheets is the next Curt Schilling. There's some context for you to put it in.

[stocker323]

So Sheets is a FA next offseason? I think we are getting a little ahead of ourselves there. If he is maybe Milwaukee will trade him during the season since they will probably not sign him.

[yeszir]

It's probable that we may get sheets next season because......why? We saved money by signing Wells?

[Soxfan1]

Guys its not even 2006. :wtf:

[ahhchon]

gotta build for the future bro. if you build for today you become the yankees and you have no future.

 

john

[stocker323]

Wells was announced to the press today. Apparently he's trying to challenge Johnny, for the role of team Jesus.

 

 

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[schillingouttheks]

2 jesus's?

 

2 world series championships in a row?

 

ILL TAKE IT!