Pedro Martinez Set To Sign 3 Yr 40 Million With...

[mosox]

The Hudson deal looks like a long shot and Clement may be too late. All of a sudden Derek Lowe is now the best free agent pitcher out there.

[schillingouttheks]

and i wouldnt mind having him back.

[Chitalian Stallion]

who else is out there?

[schillingouttheks]

Originally posted by papi4prez@Dec 13 2004, 05:55 PM

i think i hate him

and when he comes back to boston in a mets uniform, ill be cheering him for his years of service, and be pissed when i hear fans booing him.

 

and its official, add channel 5 to the list of sources.

 

they said he left because schill got the number one spot...which is the only sour part i have against him right now. whatever, ill get over it.

 

thanks for your service pedro!

[ahhchon]

Originally posted by schillingouttheks@Dec 13 2004, 05:58 PM

and i wouldnt mind having him back.

 

and youd think winning is more important than a few million dollars...

i would, s***. who knows about dlowe. he's a friggan headcase. for all we know he could never be a sub 5 era pitcher again. i'm not liking it, especiall with his pricetag.

 

as for winning being more important than a few mill. we're talking about 1 year 14 mill here. that's FOURTEEN MILLION dollars. something that you and i combined will NEVER see in our lives. he could see that in 1 year. i don't blame pedro, i would do it in a heartbeat. it's the best deal for him.

 

john

 

p.s.- it's NOT a done deal yet. nothing has been confirmed. also, who else hates BDD's? anything against the sox and they rip them apart. pedro is all of a sudden some sort of evil devil figure. they are lame. anyone who passes up 14 mill a year and 1 less season is a moron.

 

p.s.s.- it's not confirmed unless it's on ESPN.com saying so. espn > all other sources. if you boo pedro when he comes back you know nothing about pedro and know evel less about baseball. PERIOD

[schillingouttheks]

1) i did not say winning is more important than a few million dollars

 

2) BDD is not the only source to say its a done deal:

ESPN, WBZ 4, WCVB 5, boston herald/globe say its done.

 

not espn.com tho. i heard it on tv.

 

and i will be with ahhchon cheering pedro for his service in boston, probably in the minority of boston that cheers him...o well.

[Zenny]

Ken Rosenthal is saying that the Sox are making a huge push for A.J. Burnett with a deal that will likely include Arroyo or a third team. I love A.J. Burnett. Theo, get this done. He's going to be 28 next season and can crank it up to 100 and go deep into games with lots of K's.

[ahhchon]

Originally posted by schillingouttheks@Dec 13 2004, 06:08 PM

1) i did not say winning is more important than a few million dollars

 

2) BDD is not the only source to say its a done deal:

ESPN, WBZ 4, WCVB 5, boston herald/globe say its done.

i know you didn't someone else did. i put the quotes together.

 

as for espn. show me where it says it's a done deal..

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/index

 

COULD BE. COULD is the key word.

 

john

[schillingouttheks]

again, i didnt say espn.com did, i was jsut too lazy to erase espn from the list. all the others did tho...o well ur probly right.

[RedSoxRooter]

Reports from MLB.com have the RED SOX backing out of negotiations after the new Mets offer. Not Pedro.

[RedSoxRooter]

BTW, ESPN will have the Pedro scoop in 2 mins after the commercial.

[schillingouttheks]

ok, well if u wanna hear about pedro and the mets, quickly turn on espn on your tv and watch. sportscenter is gunna talk about it.

[yeszir]

Originally posted by RedSoxRooter@Dec 13 2004, 06:11 PM

Reports from MLB.com have the RED SOX backing out of negotiations after the new Mets offer. Not Pedro.

Understandably. Why offer an aging pitcher something you dont want to offer him? If he wants something the sox wont give, oh well, bye bye Pedro.

 

As for this:

Ken Rosenthal is saying that the Sox are making a huge push for A.J. Burnett with a deal that will likely include Arroyo or a third team. I love A.J. Burnett. Theo, get this done. He's going to be 28 next season and can crank it up to 100 and go deep into games with lots of K's.

I completely agree. If we could get Burnett I would not be worried whatsoever about our rotation like I am now. His health is the only worrysome part, Tommy John is never good.

[schillingouttheks]

espn is saying that pedro is still in the decision mode, its not a done deal.

 

please come back petey!!!!

[yankeessuck013]

he has not decided anything yet!

 

Keep the faith!

[yankeessuck013]

Schilling to Nation: Trust in Theo

"I hope he's in the rotation... Things change... this is a different market to play in. There were members of the press that he had a dislike for... I want Petey here... Trust that Theo a firm backup plan in place... If someone offered me a little bit more money and I'm somewhere I want to be, I'm going to sta y where I can enjoy myself." -- Curt Schilling on Pedro to 7 News

 

"The Sox still haven't been informed Pedro is taking the Mets' offer, but they're proceeding as if he's gone. They're currently negotiating with Barry Meister, who has taken over doing Edgar Renteria's deal. And there were indications they could reach agreement with Renteria soon." -- Jason Stark, ESPN.com Insider

[ahhchon]

i don't have a tv at my girlfriends.. i've been ignoring everything she's been saying and hitting refresh on espn nonstop.

 

keep be updated guys..

 

yez- if we don't overpay for THE most dominationg pitcher for the past 7+ years we shouldn't overpay for a declining catcher who has not been dominating.

 

i don't see why the sox won't overpay for pedro but will overpay for tek.

 

the way i see it is that if you overpay for pedro (most likely it'll take 2 mill per year of overpay) you'll get a very good pitcher (at least) in return. if you overpay tek (he's only worth 6 per MAX imo, gonna need 9 for him) that's overpaying 3 mill per year for tek. what is the upside? someone who hits .280 with 20+ hr and 75+ rbi. too bad only 2 catchers have ever NOT had a sharp decline at teks age.

 

they are:

carlton fisk (immortal)

pudge

 

nuff said

 

i'm sick of all this hudson and other pitcher talks. we are losing pedro here guys. not some #3 starter. aj burnett has a ton of potential, but hasn't the marlins been waiting 5 years for him to reach this potential allready? pitching the al won't help. hudson is guaranteed for 1 year. he's no pedro either. sigh

 

john

[RedSoxRooter]

Originally posted by ahhchon@Dec 13 2004, 06:22 PM

if we don't overpay for THE most dominationg pitcher for the past 7+ years we shouldn't overpay for a declining catcher who has not been dominating.

 

i don't see why the sox won't overpay for pedro but will overpay for tek.

 

Agreed on Tek. I don't think the sox should even be offering as much as they had.

 

As for Pedro, yes, he has been the most dominant pitcher for the last 7 years (total). But that's living large off of '98-mid 2001. Since then he has not been the most dominant pitcher in the league. Maybe a top 5, but not the most dominant. And last year he wasn't even the most dominant pitcher in his own rotation.

 

On top of that, he gets spanked by the Yankees 50% of the time he faces them, which hurts us more because it's a 2 game swing in the standings.

 

And finally, I think the Sox were overpaying for Pedro. It's just that the Mets REALLY overpaid.

[Zenny]

Originally posted by ahhchon@Dec 13 2004, 07:22 PM

i'm sick of all this hudson and other pitcher talks. we are losing pedro here guys. not some #3 starter. aj burnett has a ton of potential, but hasn't the marlins been waiting 5 years for him to reach this potential allready? pitching the al won't help.

Go back and look at Burnett's 2002. Filthy. Look at his monthly splits from the end of this season. Filthy. He has all the peripherals to succeed in Fenway and the AL. I want this guy in the Sox rotation for a long time to come.

[empireII]

apparently no longer in "decision mode," he's accepted which should surprise no one.

[ahhchon]

what are you talking about 02-03 was amazing. he had no run support at all last year.

 

lets put it this way. how could you say that pedro will never have a sub 2.8 era ever again? he's only done this for at least 40% of his career. in 02 and 03 he was not touching 95 mph, he still had sub 3 era's. in 03 it was like 2.22 that's friggan crazy, especially in the AL and in such a hitters era. "IF" pedro gets back on tract 14 mill a year is nowhere near overpaying. it's most def worth it.

 

look at it this way, pavano is 10 mill a year, wouldn't you rather pedro (even at 3.5 era) for 4 mill more? he comes with more strikes more pitchers to throw, more experience. who knows how pavano will do in the al, he could post 3.9 era also!

 

don't sign that overrated ss renteria, sign palaco for 4 mill per and spend the 32 million saved ( that's right, THRITY TWO over 4 years, since palaco would sign for 2 yrs, probably) and put 8 of it towards pedro.

 

theo is starting to stink things up, especially with those manny rumors. if i was manny i would be flipping out right about now. yeah, he costs a lot but where would ortiz be w/o manny in front or behind him.

 

john

[ahhchon]

Originally posted by empireII@Dec 13 2004, 06:38 PM

apparently no longer in "decision mode," he's accepted which should surprise no one.

until it's on epsn. i won't believe it. the a-rod trade was "DONE" about 50 times.

 

john

[RedSoxRooter]

Originally posted by ahhchon@Dec 13 2004, 06:41 PM

"IF" pedro gets back on tract 14 mill a year is nowhere near overpaying. it's most def worth it.

Well, that is a big IF... And by back on track I assume you mean being able to pitch 9 innings again - or even 8 with some regularity if he had to.

 

I'll agree that 2002 and 2003 he didn't get the wins he could have because the bullpen sucked - but that's part of the problem with Pedro. If he's out by the top of the 6th or 7th, then he will get some NDs or lose some close ones. But again, that's also why he's not worth 56 million over 4 years (what the mets think).

 

I do believe Pedro, in the NL, will be a great pitcher. At least for a couple more years. New to the league, no NY Yankees to face (or Red Sox), no DH. I think Pedro will pitch just fine there. But I won't be upset about it.

[ahhchon]

you do realize that pedro had pretty poor run support those years right? it seems as if everytime i see pedro pitch the sox can't score more than 1 run until he's out of the game lol.

 

john

[RedSoxRooter]

Pedro's always had poor run support though. It used to frustrate the hell out of me when we first got him.

 

The fact that he's out of the game before the Sox can feast on the other teams bullpen kinda sums things up for my previous statement....

 

And please don't get me wrong. I will forever love the guy and I'm sure as s*** happy about him not staying in the AL or going to the Yankees. I just don't see him pulling a Roger out of his ass and winning 4 more Cy Youngs. And for 14 million/per, he should be able to.

[stocker323]

Lucchino has conceded Pedro to the Mets

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=ap-m...ov=ap&type=lgns

[RedSox24]

Originally posted by ahhchon@Dec 13 2004, 06:22 PM

i don't have a tv at my girlfriends.. i've been ignoring everything she's been saying and hitting refresh on espn nonstop.

 

keep be updated guys..

 

yez- if we don't overpay for THE most dominationg pitcher for the past 7+ years we shouldn't overpay for a declining catcher who has not been dominating.

 

i don't see why the sox won't overpay for pedro but will overpay for tek.

 

 

 

That is absurd, Pedro is too declining my friend. How many HR's did Pedro give up last year.....26...tied for the most in his career. With a 3.90 ERA. We can get a much better deal with another pitcher. I dont see how you cannot see that Pedro is declining, he can barley throw 95 anymore and can only go 100 Pitches. Im not saying Pedro sucks, but i am saying that hs is on the decline.

[ahhchon]

Originally posted by RedSox24+Dec 13 2004, 07:13 PM-->

QUOTE (RedSox24 @ Dec 13 2004, 07:13 PM)

[RedSoxRooter]

Originally posted by ahhchon@Dec 13 2004, 07:19 PM

3 years 41-42 would have gotten it done imo.

I don't know. I think the Sox final offer was right around that. 3 years/40 million.

 

To be honest, I think one reason Pedro left was that he needs to be known as the Ace and treated like a superstar, neither of which are garanteed in Boston.

[ahhchon]

i think that also played a very large role. pedro should be the #1 guy. just going by senority, it could be diff in the post season but in the reg season he should be #1. been like that for so many years. i see no reason to change unless it is needed (ie post season).

 

but that's just the way life is, you can't get everything you want.

 

it's going to be so sad seeing be favorite pitcher of all time, going to the mets.

 

john

 

p.s.- not done deal yet :-D

 

p.p.s.- it was 3 years 37.5 with 2 mill incentives. i'm saying if it was 3 years 42 mill guranteed that would have gotten it done, the mets would have HAD to counter with 4 years over 52 to get it done.