Pedro Martinez Set To Sign 3 Yr 40 Million With...

[Yanksin2010]

K's tell who is the more dominant pitcher and ryan had 262 more than pedro their first 10 seasons.

[BoSox Rule]

You can't be serious.

 

Pedro has the third highest K/9 rate ever. He strikes out over 10 per 9 innings, Ryan is 4th at 9.55. Behind Randy, Kerry Wood, and Pedro.

 

And if you think Pedro's K/9 rate is going drop 0.85 in 4 years in the NL, you're nuts.

[Yanksin2010]

Oh yes lets bring schilling into the mix. He's the best pitcher ever too right? If you said this stuff you are saying to any well known baseball anylyst, they would laugh. PEDRO IS NOT THE BEST PITCHER EVER.

[BoSox Rule]

Like who? Peter Gammons? Dare I say John Kruk?

[goyanks9]

Alright Yankee fans, its time to get rid of your bias and actually listen to some statistical evidence here. I hate Pedro Martinez more than any pitcher in the world, and am a huge Yankee fan. However, my love for the Yankees doesn't make me blind to seeing that Pedro, without a doubt, is the most dominant pitcher of all time. It's obvious.

 

I'm not honestly sure that many of you know what adjusted ERA + is, but I'll give you a little lesson, if you are unfamiliar. It basically measures the dominance of a pitcher compared to the rest of his league. Pedro's career ERA + is a ridiculous 167, and there is no one even close to that clip.

 

That stat alone is enough to determine that he is the most dominant pitcher ever. If you want more, say the word.

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by BoSox Rule@Dec 19 2004, 09:16 PM

You can't be serious.

 

Pedro has the third highest K/9 rate ever. He strikes out over 10 per 9 innings, Ryan is 4th at 9.55. Behind Randy, Kerry Wood, and Pedro.

 

And if you think Pedro's K/9 rate is going drop 0.85 in 4 years in the NL, you're nuts.

Ryans led the leauge in K's 7 times. Pedro a grand total of 0.

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by BoSox Rule@Dec 19 2004, 09:18 PM

Like who? Peter Gammons? Dare I say John Kruk?

well Gammons is a sox fan.

[BoSox Rule]

That really tells me something about how you pick what stats to use.

 

Strikeouts

1994-142-5

1995-174-5

1996-222-3

1997-305-2

1998-251-2

1999-313-1

2000-284-1

2001-163-9

2002-239-1

2003-206-2

2004-227-2

Act-2653-5

Car-2653-20

 

Strikeouts/9IP

1994-8.83-3

1995-8.04-4

1996-9.22-3

1997-11.37-1

1998-9.67-2

1999-13.21-1

2000-11.78-1

2002-10.79-1

2003-9.93-1

2004-9.41-2

Act-10.40-3

Car-10.40-3

[BoSox Rule]

And if Randy leaves the NL, Pedro is almost a lock to lead the league in K/9 every year, and probably K's, too.

[Yankeesin05]

OMG!! Do you know anything about baseball?!

 

last 5 seasons

 

Koufax

111-34

1.96 ERA

291 SO/YR

 

 

Martinez

75-26

2.53 ERA

221 SO/YR

 

Who is better?

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by BoSox Rule@Dec 19 2004, 09:22 PM

That really tells me something about how you pick what stats to use.

 

Strikeouts

1994-142-5

1995-174-5

1996-222-3

1997-305-2

1998-251-2

1999-313-1

2000-284-1

2001-163-9

2002-239-1

2003-206-2

2004-227-2

Act-2653-5

Car-2653-20

 

Strikeouts/9IP

1994-8.83-3

1995-8.04-4

1996-9.22-3

1997-11.37-1

1998-9.67-2

1999-13.21-1

2000-11.78-1

2002-10.79-1

2003-9.93-1

2004-9.41-2

Act-10.40-3

Car-10.40-3

Thats just in the AL.

[Yankeesin05]

Koufax is rated the BEST Pitcher Stuff wise of all time. I swear to god i read it in a Pitching anylist book.

[BoSox Rule]

Throw ERA out the window.

 

Last 5 years, ERA+

Pedro: 201

Koufax: 168 (1 better than Pedro's CAREER)

 

Last 5 years, K/9

Pedro: 10.75

Koufax: 9.44

 

NOBODY can touch Pedro's stuff in his prime. NOBODY.

[goyanks9]

Originally posted by Yankeesin05@Dec 19 2004, 09:29 PM

Koufax is rated the BEST Pitcher Stuff wise of all time. I swear to god i read it in a Pitching anylist book.

What the heck does that have to do with how dominant he was? Tanyon Sturtze has fantastic stuff, should he be rated as the most dominant pitcher of all time?

[ahhchon]

first of WINS DON'T MEAN s***.

 

2nd of all, nolan ryan is such an overrated pitcher. when i think of all time pitchers i think of.

 

pedro

maddux

gibson

kofax

clemens

 

john

[Yankeesin05]

Koufax dominated the game with only 2 Pitches. Hitters always knew what was comming, they still couldnt hit it.

 

How is pedro better when his ERA was nearly 4 last year?

 

 

PEDRO IS A GREAT PITCHER!!!!!!

 

Just not the best.

[ahhchon]

Originally posted by Yankeesin05@Dec 19 2004, 09:33 PM

Koufax dominated the game with only 2 Pitches. Hitters always knew what was comming, they still couldnt hit it.

 

How is pedro better when his ERA was nearly 4 last year?

 

 

PEDRO IS A GREAT PITCHER!!!!!!

 

Just not the best.

yet you haven't provided anything that shows us he's a better pitcher.

 

john

[BoSox Rule]

Originally posted by Yankeesin05@Dec 19 2004, 09:33 PM

Koufax dominated the game with only 2 Pitches. Hitters always knew what was comming, they still couldnt hit it.

 

How is pedro better when his ERA was nearly 4 last year?

 

 

PEDRO IS A GREAT PITCHER!!!!!!

 

Just not the best.

You're throwing all of this unadjusted ******** at me, and it holds no water.

[Yankeesin05]

nolan ryan is such an overrated pitcher

 

 

LOL. Tell that to somebody that knows baseball, tell that to "zenny".

[BoSox Rule]

Pedro's had one year of an ERA almost 4. Do you want to see more than the first half of Sandy's CAREER?

 

Koufax, Average year; 1955-1961

7-11, 3.94 ERA, 182 innings, 183 K's, 9.05 K/9, 7.55 H/9, 1.37 WHIP

[BoSox Rule]

Pedro had such a bad year last year right? 125 ERA+, better than Ryan's 112 career ERA+.

[Yankeesin05]

If you knew something about Koufax, his Pitching coach, Arnie Wells was teaching him to do all the wrong stuff, he wanted to throw submarine for God sakes. Plus he had no cartlage in his Left index Finger.

 

You should know why Koufax was good fpr 5 years.

[BoSox Rule]

I don't care if his coach f***ed up. Pedro has a torn labrum. BFD.

 

He has a f***ing lead pipe lodged in his shoulder.

[Yankeesin05]

You guys are being bias right now.

[Yankeesin05]

How can you not admit that there was not ONE single Pitcher, in the history of Baseball, that was better then Pedro? Jeeze.

 

No there aren't many, but there are some.

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by ahhchon@Dec 19 2004, 09:32 PM

first of WINS DON'T MEAN s***.

 

2nd of all, nolan ryan is such an overrated pitcher. when i think of all time pitchers i think of.

 

pedro

maddux

gibson

kofax

clemens

 

john

not spahn or young?

[BoSox Rule]

Because there aren't. The stats show it. But most Yankee fans don't care about stats. They judge players on mystique, aura, and intangibles.

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by BoSox Rule@Dec 19 2004, 09:41 PM

I don't care if his coach f***ed up. Pedro has a torn labrum. BFD.

 

He has a f***ing lead pipe lodged in his shoulder.

Calm down man.

[Yanksin2010]

Originally posted by BoSox Rule@Dec 19 2004, 09:45 PM

Because there aren't. The stats show it. But most Yankee fans don't care about stats. They judge players on mystique, aura, and intangibles.

Which are also important. You can't tell how good someone is purely on stats. Jeter is an example.

[Yankeesin05]

Uhh, no

 

Why would you say that we dont care about Stats?