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    Where Should Rafael Devers Play?


    Nick John
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    With Rafael Devers sidelined to start spring training, Red Sox fans may not know what the "regular" infield makeup will be until Opening Day. 

    Spring Training games have begun and with it came the debate over where certain players should play for the Boston Red Sox. The most prominent being where Alex Bregman and Rafael Devers will play. Devers will be entering his age-28 season, the third since signing his franchise record 11-year, $331 million contract. The deal will keep him in Boston through the 2033 season and created the assumption at the time that Devers would be the starting third baseman for the foreseeable future. That has changed with the signing of Alex Bregman.

    All offseason, it was stated that Bregman would be the starting second baseman if he signed with Boston. You had Alex Cora stating that he envisioned Bregman as a Gold Glove second baseman. But now with spring training in full swing, there’s been a debate as to where Devers and Bregman will play and what would be best for the team in the long run. Fans would argue that the best lineup for the Red Sox would be Devers at designated hitter, Bregman playing third base and top prospect Kristian Campbell making the team as the starting second baseman. Defensively this makes the most sense, Bregman is already a Gold Glove defender at third, having won the award this past season while Devers is considered one of the worst defensive third basemen in the game. Last season alone, Devers recorded a minus-6 Outs Above Average. To put that in perspective, that was tied for 36th out of the 43 qualified third basemen last season. Since 2020, Devers has compiled a minus-34 Outs Above Average, ranking as the worst among all qualified third basemen in that span. And despite that, Devers wants to stay at third base. While talking to the media back on February 17th, Devers was asked if he was willing to move off third base to allow new teammate Alex Bregman, his response was simple and he repeated it often.

    “No. I play third.”

    This single quote and its repetition by Devers has led to a division among Red Sox fans, some believing that Devers should give up the position and move to being a designated hitter to both preserve his body and to allow the Red Sox to field their best defensive lineup. However, others have pointed out that if Devers quickly relinquished the position he would have been viewed as lazy or ready to just hit now that he has signed his contract. And while even ignoring Devers’ defensive woes, it may not be in the best interest of the team to make Devers a permanent designated hitter.

    The thought would be that the team would be best with Devers at designated hitter, Bregman as the starting third baseman and top prospect Campbell as the starting second baseman, however, that belief has a few issues. The first would be that Campbell is an unproven rookie. Yes, he vaulted up the prospect rankings last season and finished the year in triple-A Worcester, but as shown from the early games of spring training he’s still a young player who’s learning. The second issue would be the benching of current designated hitter Masataka Yoshida.

    The left-handed hitter was moved from left field to designated hitter heading into the 2024 season, much to his displeasure. And despite putting up with injuries across the season he still managed to slash a decent .280/.349/.415 with 10 home runs and 56 runs batted in despite dealing with thumb and shoulder injuries. The latter resulted in offseason surgery. If Devers is the new designated hitter, Yoshida would be without a position as the outfield is filled and his bat is too valuable to lose, especially if he’s fully healthy this season. While his numbers may not jump out at you, Yoshida’s OPS+ was 112, putting him as a slightly above average hitter. Add to it his incredibly low whiff and strikeout percentages and he’s a rather valuable member of the lineup when it comes to putting the ball in play.

    The third and final dilemma is the fact that many players perform worse as the designated hitter. There's a even a name for this phenomenon: The Designated Hitter Penalty. For many players, they need the time in the field to keep them in rhythm when they finally get up to bat. It gives them a chance to think about other aspects of the game besides just hitting and allows them to move on from a poor at-bat. Doing nothing but hitting and then sitting in the dugout thinking about your next at-bat while your teammates field can be mentally draining for players, especially ones like Devers, who have never played anything but one position, and clearly want to remain there. To be a truly great designated hitter you need to be mentally strong and be able to handle the tolls of slumps, otherwise they might drag themselves down and into a longer rut. 

    Not everyone is a David Ortiz or Edgar Martinez who can just slot in as a designated hitter and handle it without issues. Even with the Red Sox they have had players in the past wish to play the field. Probably the most prominent duo being J.D .Martinez and Masataka Yoshida. Martinez signed with the Red Sox in 2018 and helped them win the World Series that season, but before that had shown some desire to remain in the outfield and not just hit. He was at a similar point in his career as Devers is now, just two years older than Devers is, Martinez wanted to play the field. His exact reason at the time when asked about wanting to play the outfield was “because I’m 30 years old”. 

    Likewise, Martinez had an interesting split when he played the field vs when he didn’t in 2018. As the Red Sox outfield was loaded with young, homegrown stars Andrew Benintendi, Jackie Bradley Jr. and Mookie Betts, Martinez only played the outfield in 57 games that season. However, his bat exploded when he played in the field. In 57 games played in the outfield, Martinez managed to hit .383 in 219 at bats and got on base at a .450 clip. In 93 games as the designated hitter Martinez had 350 at-bats and saw his average drop to .297 and his on base percentage also drop to .373. His power was more prevalent while being the designated hitter, hitting 27 of them compared to 16 while playing in the outfield. Overall though, it shows just how playing in the field kept Martinez locked in. It’s been the same for his entire career, as between playing as the left fielder, right fielder or designated hitter, Martinez’s numbers have been lowest while playing as the designated hitter.

    Yoshida is a similar case when you compare his stats based on his position. In 86 career games in left field, Yoshida has slashed .308/.350/.480 with 12 home runs and 60 runs batted in. He also struck out only 41 times in that span totaling 344 at-bats. As a designated hitter, however, those numbers drop. In 150 games as the designated hitter, Yoshida saw his numbers drop to a stat line of .273/.338/.407 along with 13 home runs and 68 runs batted in across 560 at-bats.

    It's yet to be seen if Devers is someone who could handle the mounting pressure of being the team’s designated hitter, especially with calls for him to give up his starting position at third base. Based on a small sample size from last season when he was hurt, Devers hit rather well. But his line of .353/.371/.618 was only across eight games, not a large enough sample size to give us an idea of how he would do across a full season. If the Red Sox and Devers decide it’s best for the team for him to slide off of third base, I feel the best-case scenario for him would be similar to how they handled J.D. Martinez in 2018: play roughly a third of his games in the field to give him a break from the mental strains of being the designated hitter. Despite the defensive woes that Devers has at times, it would be best for the team in the long run to allow him time on the field, time to clear his head and give him a chance to reset at the plate by focusing on his defense. 

    Though this question has been a thing since the start of spring training, this issue is a good one. The fact that we’re arguing over where multiple all-star players should play is something we haven’t been able to do for a few years now. Wherever Devers and Bregman end up playing, one thing is for certain: this team will be enjoyable to watch.


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    The question was about Devers and where he should play.   

    The answer is---in another city.

    IMO, his shoulder conditions will become chronic , due to his savage bat swing.  He will not come close to living out his 10 year deal.   So trade him now .  Sox could get 2 position players  for this chubby dude. Maybe a top catcher and a 2Bman

    Re: Casas . You can have no discussion with him about hitting or defense because you will not a word in edgewise.

    If Devers can continue to provide team-leading production for his age 28 through 32 years, he's worth keeping. Raffy's 162-game averages through 8 big league seasons: 33 HRs, 102 Runs, 105 RBIs, .856 OPS.

    Another 8 years with those numbers may be unlikely, but if he rakes for 5 or 6 more, the question remains: where else does Boston find a batter that consistent?

    Hype and roll out as many prospects as you want, but they still have to do it. If only Bloom was still here; he said he was ready to surround Devers with talent... (but maybe not quite like free agent hoarders LA, NY, NY and Philly). 

    Bregman is a good start and may be in Boston longer than people think. Where else is he going to get $40 mil a year, and who is even going to give him a longterm for $30 mil when he's in his mid-30s?

     

    21 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

    Bregman is a good start and may be in Boston longer than people think. Where else is he going to get $40 mil a year, and who is even going to give him a longterm for $30 mil when he's in his mid-30s?

    Personally I think Bregman would like to stay and the opt-outs are there for protection against things going sour in some way.

    I'll note these points again: 1) The deferrals knock his contract down from $120 mill to $95 mill, an AAV of $31.7 mill. 2) He turned down 6/$171.5 mill from the Tigers.

    1 hour ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    Personally I think Bregman would like to stay and the opt-outs are there for protection against things going sour in some way.

    I'll note these points again: 1) The deferrals knock his contract down from $120 mill to $95 mill, an AAV of $31.7 mill. 2) He turned down 6/$171.5 mill from the Tigers.

    If he has a big season, he's gone IMO. 

    41 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

    If he has a big season, he's gone IMO. 

    He put up 4-5 bWAR seasons in 2022-2024.  This is not what we usually see for "pillow contracts". 

    If he posts a 4.5 bWAR this year, is that going to radically change the demand for his services from what it was this offseason?   

    The free agent market has been super-weird the last two years, some guys getting paid as expected and others left scrambling. 

     

    21 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    He put up 4-5 bWAR seasons in 2022-2024.  This is not what we usually see for "pillow contracts". 

    If he posts a 4.5 bWAR this year, is that going to radically change the demand for his services from what it was this offseason?   

    If his OPS goes to 850+ rather than 750+, then yes. 

    2 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

    If his OPS goes to 850+ rather than 750+, then yes. 

    Which he hasn't done since 2019.

    Fenway might boost it some, hopefully, but if it's a park factor increase only that doesn't add much value.

    As you can see, I'm digging in on this one.  The guy turned down $171.5 million!  And in spite of what notin said, Detroit seems like an OK place to play now.   

    20 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    Which he hasn't done since 2019.

    Fenway might boost it some, hopefully, but if it's a park factor increase only that doesn't add much value.

    As you can see, I'm digging in on this one.  The guy turned down $171.5 million!  And in spite of what notin said, Detroit seems like an OK place to play now.   

    If he thinks he can get the same offer Detroit gave him, this coming winter, he may take it. It would then be $171M/5 vs $80M/2 (not $120M/3.) That's a huge difference.

    59 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    Which he hasn't done since 2019.

    Fenway might boost it some, hopefully, but if it's a park factor increase only that doesn't add much value.

    As you can see, I'm digging in on this one.  The guy turned down $171.5 million!  And in spite of what notin said, Detroit seems like an OK place to play now.   

    DET was 21st for RHB in park factors (24th in HR). 

    1 hour ago, moonslav59 said:

    If he thinks he can get the same offer Detroit gave him, this coming winter, he may take it. It would then be $171M/5 vs $80M/2 (not $120M/3.) That's a huge difference.

    So why didn't he take it last time? You don't find 51.5 million + the deferral gap a huge difference?

    And of course he'll be a year older at an age where one year is huge.

    To me there's kind of a logic disconnect here.

    7 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    So why didn't he take it last time? You don't find 51.5 million + the deferral gap a huge difference?

    And of course he'll be a year older at an age where one year is huge.

    To me there's kind of a logic disconnect here.

    I don't know why. Maybe he liked BOS more. Maybe he thinks he could get $40M in 2025, even with much differed plus $171M/5 after this year.

    13 minutes ago, notin said:

    If he stays, his next deal needs to only be 3 years $52mill to top out the Detroit offer.  Thats Tyler O’Neill money…

    After this season, he only needs to make more than 5/131.5 to beat the DET offer. All of his offers this year were larger than that and for a higher AAV.

    22 hours ago, vegasbob said:

    The question was about Devers and where he should play.   

    The answer is---in another city.

    IMO, his shoulder conditions will become chronic , due to his savage bat swing.  He will not come close to living out his 10 year deal.   So trade him now .  Sox could get 2 position players  for this chubby dude. Maybe a top catcher and a 2Bman

    Re: Casas . You can have no discussion with him about hitting or defense because you will not a word in edgewise.

    There's no way you trade the face of your franchise just 2 seasons after he signed an extension. It would make it hard to sign any of the young guys like Anthony, Mayer or Campbell to extensions. Plus it wouldn't look good to free agents. 

    As it is, I wouldn't say his shoulder condition will become chronic. Probably should have got shut down sooner in September to give more time to rest but it is what it is. 

    10 minutes ago, Nick John said:

    There's no way you trade the face of your franchise just 2 seasons after he signed an extension. It would make it hard to sign any of the young guys like Anthony, Mayer or Campbell to extensions. Plus it wouldn't look good to free agents. 

    As it is, I wouldn't say his shoulder condition will become chronic. Probably should have got shut down sooner in September to give more time to rest but it is what it is. 

    I don't really see those as reasons to not trade Devers. I doubt it would affect anyone signings and extension. I'm not sure it would make any FA give it a thought. Most go for the money of the best opportunity for them.

    Devers is our go to guy. He has been big in big moments. He was on his way to his best career year and hurt his shoulder. I doubt this injury ends his career, or he never gets back to top form.

    This line-up is not good without him. That's why we should not trade him.

    That being said, what would we get back? (I'm not counting on the salary relief being spent by JH.)

    17 hours ago, mvp 78 said:

    After this season, he only needs to make more than 5/131.5 to beat the DET offer. All of his offers this year were larger than that and for a higher AAV.

    I can understand notin ignoring the deferrals because numbers aren't really his thing.  I assume you're just doing it to mess with me.  😛

    9 hours ago, moonslav59 said:

    I don't really see those as reasons to not trade Devers. I doubt it would affect anyone signings and extension. I'm not sure it would make any FA give it a thought. Most go for the money of the best opportunity for them.

    Devers is our go to guy. He has been big in big moments. He was on his way to his best career year and hurt his shoulder. I doubt this injury ends his career, or he never gets back to top form.

    This line-up is not good without him. That's why we should not trade him.

    That being said, what would we get back? (I'm not counting on the salary relief being spent by JH.)

    harmony reported a little while ago that BTV had his contract with a small surplus value.  But right now with his shoulder issues, it's surely under water.  

    17 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    The total AAV of Bregman's Red Sox contract is 95 million.  Your numbers are wrong.

    He will get the deferred money at some point.  I think the $95mill will pay the bills in the meantime.  He might have to cancel Netflix until then, however…

    From Forbes:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danfreedman/2025/03/03/the-red-sox-and-alex-bregman-pulled-off-the-rare-win-win-contract/

    Bregman bit even with massive deferrals in the deal. According to multiple sources, Bregman is entitled to a $5 million signing bonus that is not due to be paid until 2028. He gets $15 million this year, and $20 million in each of 2026 and 2027 (assuming he does not opt-out). The other $60 million (again, assuming he plays all three seasons) is deferred to dates ranging from 2035 to 2046.

    27 minutes ago, Bellhorn04 said:

    From Forbes:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/danfreedman/2025/03/03/the-red-sox-and-alex-bregman-pulled-off-the-rare-win-win-contract/

    Bregman bit even with massive deferrals in the deal. According to multiple sources, Bregman is entitled to a $5 million signing bonus that is not due to be paid until 2028. He gets $15 million this year, and $20 million in each of 2026 and 2027 (assuming he does not opt-out). The other $60 million (again, assuming he plays all three seasons) is deferred to dates ranging from 2035 to 2046.

    The Bregman fam will celebrate mock parties every Bobby Bonilla Day through the '30s and '40s.

    12 minutes ago, 5GoldGlovesOF,75 said:

    The Bregman fam will celebrate mock parties every Bobby Bonilla Day through the '30s and '40s.

    He's going to opt out because all he has to do is make more than 131.5M on the open market this offseason to bounce. Isn't that right @Bellhorn04 ? 

    6 minutes ago, mvp 78 said:

    He's going to opt out because all he has to do is make more than 131.5M on the open market this offseason to bounce. Isn't that right @Bellhorn04 ? 

    Yep, it was sheer financial brilliance on Alex's part to take this deal from the Sox.  He would have been nuts to take that 171.5 mill from the Tigers. 🙃   

    Just now, Bellhorn04 said:

    Yep, it was sheer financial brilliance on Alex's part to take this deal from the Sox.  He would have been nuts to take that 171.5 mill from the Tigers. 🙃   

    I think he took it simply because of the opt outs since he's planning on opting out as it's easy to beat 131.5M in next offseason's marketplace!




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