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Angels are also noted as finalists today, as reported by: MLB.com/Boras' secret agents/AI/internet misinformation planted by subversive divisives and basic rabble rousers posing as reputable sources of ill repute...
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A Realistic View at 2024: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Then that would be 97 wins, if the Sox also had the Jays' "normal" defense (Toronto's Defensive Efficiency was exactly league average in '23). -
Don't know how many of next winter's free agent pitchers are represented by Boras, but gotta wonder if the bidding for those who aren't will be hotter because they aren't. At least we know it will be earlier.
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Trading for good pitching has usually worked best for Boston -- but only because of free agency. The big market Red Sox were able to deal for Pedro, Schilling, Beckett, and Sale, among others, because all were due some serious coin that their mid-market teams couldn't (or decided not to) afford. Eovaldi's contract worked out for the Sox because they paid market value for a starting pitcher who led their staff in WAR for the four years of his extension. The fact he was able to do that when he wasn't always great or durable is an indictment of Boston's sudden halt in investing to recruit or keep subsequent top mound talent. And I can't equate Eovaldi's tenure in Boston with Lackey's -- whose three-year WAR isn't even as good as any two Pivetta years...
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Good post, ending with the billion-dollar question. Since the Sox' top need throughout the Bloom Era continues to be pitching every single season, is it fair to wonder this winter if the owner and/or longtime Asst. VPs are looking at the Sale trade, and thinking: "Finally got rid of our biggest waste of money the past half decade... and the last thing we're going to do now is put ourselves right back into that situation!"
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You said fan perception. I said -- here, I'll quote my first post, with the bold-faced sentence still bold-faced: "The Red Sox have to change the perception in the industry that ownership will no longer pay market value for top free agent talent." And in '21, I didn't care what the Red Sox payroll was, and I still don't care in '24, because payrolls always include paying or owing money to players who were signed years before, were dumped and subsidized to wear another uni, or were cut because injuries prevented them from contributing. All that matters each offseason is how a front office uses resources to improve a club for the next season. You know it, I know it, and Raffy knows we know it (but can't say it out loud).
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I agree with this entire post. But my first post today was that this current perception across the industry is hurting the Red Sox' recruiting, and needs to be changed with action.
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While not quite the star that Snell is -- two Cys, and a starting pitcher -- Bellinger (still only 28, with a 8 WAR MVP year) is kinda the everyday version of inconsistency among Boras' binders. But as far as free agent pitching, and the Red Sox waiting until they're good again before they spend again (it kills me to type that, but that. is. the assumed plan... at least here) -- does anyone really think that a year from now, the cost of starting pitching will GO DOWN?!?
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The proverbial reality I was referring to was from the perception. And even though I'll be damned because I can't name your four players from the past two years -- Devers $330 + Story $160 + uhhh -- Wacha and Refsnyder? ... I seriously doubt that any big time free agent talent can, either. What's your point, anyway? "Anybody that knows baseball knows what we need." Said Raffy.
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Roman candles in today's split squad game vs. the Twins -- Anthony is listed as the starting CF!
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But does she have an opt in? Or can the Red Sox issue her a blue-and-yellow card so she can stay city connected when she's a non-resident? Look for these questions and moron 5G talksox posts... while we anxiously await the next signing of another Triple A back-up catcher.
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Reality?
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Another reason for the Red Sox to sign a good starting pitcher NOW longterm -- besides, you know, making them actually better -- is it would not only show players and alumni (blabbing in the media) that they're serious about improvement... but that it would show future free agents that Boston is a viable option. And don't just say it's all about the money, since Yamamoto was always set on being a Dodger -- if reports are true he was offered more by the owner of the Phillies, an actual World Series contender. The Red Sox have to change the perception in the industry that ownership will no longer pay market value for top free agent talent. It's probably already too late to even expect a guy like Roki Sasaki to come to Boston; no one is looking forward to signing with a last place club. But there will be other Rokis in the future...
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Imagine how many Red Sox fans would condone taking back Betts, Bogaerts, Schwarber and Eovaldi (to name a few) and their existing contracts right now -- today -- and even acknowledge that the club would have to pay kajillions of taxes for years. What do you think that number of fans would be closer to: 1). a handful of forum posters or 2). the majority of Red Sox Nation, who would welcome the return of star players they recently rooted for who won in Boston, and would give them a better chance of winning again while they have some time left on this earth.
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Only those on social media when the Red Sox bragged about resetting -- but then deleted the post before the rest of us could have a party.
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"How can anyone pay ___________ (fill in the blank with any dollar amount since the beginning of recorded history) someone to play a child's game?"
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Tomase wrote a column about how great the Red Sox would be if they kept all the talent they allowed to leave Boston. I refused to read it, since we've all basically been living it for the past half decade. But as a fan who could care less about billionaires' budgets and "overpaying" market value for longterm contracts -- to those who care more: what good has it been for the Red Sox not to pay most of their best players, since they barely ever use the savings to recruit and sign other stars... legitimate reinforcements that address obvious needs? How can fans celebrate staying under the luxury tax if their team refuses them the luxury of optimism.
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But if he's good, trade him at the deadline with Giolito -- if he's good, too... (because a good Gio is as good as gone in '25).
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A Realistic View at 2024: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
Stack -- as in a stack of hotcakes? Right at the bottom of the stack, the coldest flapjack initially out of the pan, before it was at the right temp... a little raw for the kids, but dad will still eat (pay for) it, if it's drowned in enough syrup (PR dept). -
It's not the budget, silly. It's all about control -- why sign a good pitcher for seven years? What, and waste the last three seasons of Raffy's contract?
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A Realistic View at 2024: Part I
5GoldGlovesOF,75 replied to moonslav59's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
I'm not worried too much about our lefty-heavy order, since most pitchers are righties. Plus, bullpen match-ups in the late innings usually mean the games are at least close. But I do not want a big righty whiffer in the middle, sandwiched around our best batters -- Devers and Casas. So what if they walk a lot getting pitched around; it won't matter if the next guy strikes out. Basically, my ideal line-up has contact men like Yoshida -- and Grissom, if his rep translates to a full MLB season -- on base in front of Story and O'Neill. Duran Devers Grissom Casas Yoshida Story Abreu O'Neill Wong -
Game Day: Red Sox vs. Northeastern 1:05 pm! Pros to watch: anyone wearing the laundry; it's baseball season! None of the players trying to become second basemen will be named Mookie or Xander. Students to watch: potential first-rounder Mike Sirota (who already turned down Dodgers in a later round to attend college). Sirota is a nephew of late Hall of Famer Whitey Ford. Also, starting pitcher Aiven Cabral -- who went to the same high school as Tony Conigliaro. Huskies are managed by Mike Glavine, brother of HOFer Tom.
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Watching a little LA-SD ball today, reminded of the trade where the White Sox traded for pitcher James Shields and gave up prospect Fernando "El Nino" Tatis -- and actually kinda glad Brez hasn't made any "painful" deals yet. He has said he's looking for young, controllable pitching (not 34-year old big game hunters)... Back to Bloom not even trading his James Shields Paxton guys: it makes sense if he was hired to keep the Red Sox competitive while cutting costs and reseeding the farmlands. Since Bloom basically failed for the most part at fielding a winner, maybe ownership realizes that plan -- THEIR PLAN -- was doomed... ... and thus we have this winter -- where they're all in on Breslow's Sandlin acquisitions... and all out on spending or even pretending to be good in the meantime.
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I just hope they're not offering their best homegrown pitcher since Buchholz multiple years at what amounts to below-market value for the top pitcher in a rotation (whether that's a #3, #2 or #1 -- depending on which game he starts in each series). The Red Sox front office has a recent history of outsmarting itself when it comes to player agents... although maybe that will finally change, now that a former player who had an agent is CBO.
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Keller is 27, so this 5-yr extension keeps him in Pitt through age 32. Bello's going to be 25 in May. A 7-year contract keeps him through age 32. Can we agree 25-32 is usually a starting pitcher's prime years?
