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Everything posted by notin
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So far the only thing Duran has shown is the ability to hit AAA pitching…
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I’m not overly concerned. As long as he’s racking up outs. Gotta shut down the opposition in the 6th and 7th innings, too…
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If Mata becomes a reliever, I see no problem with that. The Sox don’t need the farm to produce starters every year, although it would be nice…
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I could see an argument for him needing to be on the 40 man for that 15 day period. I mean, he is a Rule 5 pick after all. I assume we do agree he would have to be added after those days expire, however the rules get interpreted here. Their current roster is full per the Phillies’ own website (which I can’t guarantee is current, but still is the best source). But it also has Harper still on it, and we know he’s definitely out until July/August. I imagine they’d just IL Harper and then add him. Maybe they’re waiting until he pitches a few times to make that call about adding him or just returning him for a full refund…
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I assume he will get his 15 days in the minors, but I’m not so sure he can be off the 40 man roster for them…
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And with the exception of Seabold, I was disappointed every time. Even if they liked Ort, the chances of a 31yo with less than 40 career IP and an ERA over 6 clearing waivers seemed higher than for any of those pitchers…
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But the fact that Ort is on the 40 man puts him closer to the top of the depth chart than many fans like. What I’m hoping is he is the first man off the 40 man roster as replacements arrive…
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I would. But I’d prefer they be against the Red Sox…
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Probably not. Song’s entire career consists of 17 IP in Rookie Ball back in 2019. What should be indisputable is that is poor preparation for pitching an entire season in MLB in 2023. DD needs Song to get MiLB time. That should also not be in dispute. At some point, he also needs to add him to the 40 man roster, too. (I’m assuming it will be when Harper hits the 60 day IL. Although why he’s waiting on that is also a mystery.)
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So you’re saying that because the 2020 season was wiped out, the Earth didn’t go around the sun? You did say his hiatus was 2 years, not seasons…
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So are you denying they say it? It’s certainly in print all over. Not too hard to believe the radio people are also saying it…
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… and German, Barnes and Wallace…
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I tried to explain the “batted ball that hits the runner” rule to a coach on same staff as me once. I will say, he much preferred the very simple rule…
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It’s nice to know there’s something you understand. To be fair to me, journalists all over the Internet are saying 4 years. Example: https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/red-sox/ex-red-sox-prospect-noah-song-joining-phillies-training-camp Halfway down the paragraph starts “Song hasn’t pitched competitively in four years…” So it’s not hard to spot the origins…
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I suppose you would know. You’ve been speaking for him the whole conversation…
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I didn’t feel like listing a slew of prospects. I’m sure DD’s Untouchables List is longer than that. But not too much longer. It is DD, after all…
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I’ll have to learn that to help you understand why it’s a bad idea for Philly to simply stash Song…
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I wondered that, too. I figure 1) he was actually not eligible, and the rules for said eligibility are not so accessible for me, or 2) DD didn’t want to wait that long, just in case another GM was also intrigued by Song.
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And that elevates his career total to 22 IP. Even in a stashed role in someone’s bullpen, he would have to throw more than that. And burying him on the IL and in the 8th RP slot just further exacerbates his biggest weakness - inactivity…
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I do think they will try to keep Noda, because he was buried in the Dodgers system due to a lack of power and only played 1b. But (I believe it was) BA had him as tops in the org for plate discipline. As for Abreu - well, he did get protected Song was a projected first round talent in what turned out to be a really good draft for position players. The pitchers haven’t done as well yet, but Alek Manoah does give credibility. Still Song is 26 and his career high/total is 17 IP. I still think Philly keeps him; they just do it the smart way and send the Sox something. The notion that Oakland or Pitt would ditch higher draft picks for Song after Philly clearly gave up on him seems silly. If Song had enough potential for these teams to grab him, why is Philly not trying to keep him? Again, they can trade FOR his rights and option him. They gave up on a 24yo MLB-ready LHP to get him. They’re not deciding to send him back or trade him elsewhere after 3 or 4 IP. Most likely, Song pitches for the Phillies. But in this case, I mean the ones in Reading…
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Alright a 3 year hiatus. And 17 rookie ball IP in a 4 year minor league career. It’s almost nothing to go on in this data-driven age of player evaluation…
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You do it all the time…
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I’m not 100% sure of the requirements, but I thought Song needed to be with the Sox for 3 years, not in AAA (or is it AA or both?) and not on the 40-man. If so he was eligible for the minor league phase. But I am not sure if I missed a requirement or two…
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I would. Both made selections when Song was still available. What’s Song done since then to convince either team they made the wrong choice? All of these are long shots at best, but the entire point is trading Song to even a small market team isn’t going to be easy, because he carries his Rule 5 status and probably isn’t some sort of special talent every team needs to take a chance on. Those teams may dump their Rule 5 players, but it probably will have nothing to do with Somg. Especially Oakland, who chose OBP machine Ryan Noda from the Dodgers. For DD, it’s likely going to be 1) acquire Song’s rights from Boston or 2) return Song to Boston. He’s not dumb enough to “stash” him and he clearly has faith in that he left Erik Miller (whose AA numbers rival Thad Ward but is a year younger) because he very likely does have faith in Song, and not because he doesn’t care about the bottom of the 40 man roster, (which has a lot of questionable pitchers on it already).
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Actually they show he did care, as he was constantly trying to upgrade it. If he really was so cavalier about giving Song a trial to see if he was worth it, he could have taken him in the minor league portion of the draft and not had to deal with all the restrictions from the major league phase. I believe Song would have been eligible for that draft…
