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Everything posted by notin
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Agreed. And while it is a tough role to quantify due to the instances like that one you bring up, which are very numeous, the real issue is how manager seemingly manage games with the save in mind and reserve their best reliever for a nnth inning role. If the Yankees had used Rivera to face the opposing team's best hitters late in the game (say, 7th inning or later) and let the ninth inning saves fall where they may, with some going to Rivera, but likely more going to some combination of other relievers like Mike Stanton or Jeff Nelson - both very talented relief pitchers - would it have changed the amount of titles they won? (In fact, one could argue that leaving Rivera in for the 9th inning of game 7 of the 2001 World Series to ace the 7-8-9 spots in Arizona's lineup after he just pitched the 8th and instead bringing in another reliever for that final inning might have given the Yankees another title)...
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Agreed. Even if he is not a starter, he is a better bullpen option than Valdez or Taylor, both of whom have options. Middle relief would be fine. Or put him in a closer role or a high leverage role. And Houck is in his age 25 season. So sending him down for service time considerations only gets you his age 31 season. Not the same as letting a 27 or 28yo player hit free agency by a long shot...
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To be fair here, none of Urshela, Tauchman and Voit could hit before they came to the Yankees either...
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Send him!!
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To be fair, they have changed a lot over the years. Which is another flaw with saves. Using your best reliever to get key hitters (interpretation wide open) out is a always great strategy. But the save stat is overrated and polluted for multiple reasons, and it always seemed to me that the primary reason the closer evolved into a 9th inning specialist had more to do with managers being able to handle press conferences than actual in-game pressure...
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But by dealing those two prospects, they saved $570,000. (Possible sarcasm?)
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but they also burn an option year every season in the majors, right?
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Really Taylor and his 45.00 ERA and 9.00 WHIP would be lucky if he was just demoted to Worcester. I know it's only 2 games, but he is not someone I would mistake for a major league pitcher right now...
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How can Sale have options left? Not that it matters, since he is not exactly someone anyone should ever consider demoting when he is healthy...
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I'll bite. Who's on it?
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Teams have 8 and 9 man bullpens now. Your argument might have made sense in 1978...
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Houck has options. Perez does not. Neither does Richards, or most veterans with more than 4 years in MLB. So sending them down requires clearing waivers. The bigger question is - why not send Taylor down?
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Texas is paying the full freight. Basically they bought two Yankee prospects, much like how the Red Sox did with German...
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Antonio Cabello and Josh Stowers headed to Texas. Cabello used to be a good prospect. Not sure if he still is. No announcement on the cash, but MLBTR thinks Texas is paying a significant portion of it, presumably more than half...
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And the Yankees acquire Rougned Odor. https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2021/04/yankees-trade-rougned-odor-rangers.html I was just thinking the other day that this team needs another middle infielder incapable of playing shortstop...
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So in a year they went to the WS, you rate them "pretty good". Tough judge...
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He wasn't, but I still was calling for him to be out there in game six...
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And to think, none of that might have happened if not for Shag Crawford pitching out of a bases loaded, no one out jam with only one tying run allowed in the Henderson game of the ALCS. And where was Crawford the next time the season was on the line? All I remember was me shouting for Shag at my insolent and unresponsive television. I blame it to this day...
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I was thinking Mike Stanley as the "Father of the Modern Passed Ball" because he had like 98 of them in about 5600 innings behind the plate. A lot of people had more, but most (all?) of them also had a lot more innings at catcher. Of course, being Charlie Hough's teammate was certainly a factor...
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Except that the Dobnak thing was explicitly written into the rules for a save. Hitting a home run in a 15-1 game is not the same, because there is no rule for game situation about what constitutes a home run. Saves, on the other hand, are completely determined by game situation. And for some reason, the people determining what constitutes a save decided pitching the last 3 innings regardless of score and performance equals a save. Even wins can take into account how a pitcher does. It rarely, if ever, happens any more, but the official scorer can take a win away from a relief pitcher who is in line for a victory if he does poorly, and the scorer can give it to the next pitcher who comes in. (Rule 10.17 in the MLB rule book, if you doubt me.) But the 3 inning save rule has no such contingencies I am aware of...
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And wins and ERA depend heavily on the team around you. Saves are overrated and no more important than Holds. And in some instances, like Randy Dobnak yesterday, saves are a flat out joke...
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Robot bases now!! Use modifed Roomba's that move out of the way when the ball or a Yankee baserunner are approaching...
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K's are the best thing a pitcher can do. Everything else, and he needs help...
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But again, ERA is dependent on defense. Walks are the worst. Let a guy hit the ball, even the best only reach 3-4 times out of 10. Walk him? 100% reach first...
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End of the day - strikes? Can they hit them? Isn't that all that matters?
