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One could argue for both Hanley and Burleson over Nomar…

He’s also lying. He won’t be happy regardless of when Schwarber returns..

Then just DFA. No team ever has failed to win anything due to a shortage pf Ockimey’s

I think Cordero is the 4th outfielder right now. As Gonzalez, Arroyo, Schwarber, etc. return, he’ll find himself headed back down the Pike to Worcester…

I’m amazed you can see promise in Ockimey but have given up on Perez…

Perez isn’t going to garner a lot of Cy Young votes, but he also hasn’t pitched himself out of the rotation. If 3 bad starts out of 4 knocks a pitcher out, we’re going to need a long, long line of replacements..

Just let em go.. This team can afford runners in scoring position more than they can afford more infield injuries..

He never caught again after Boston but he was the best catcher the Sox have traded away in the last half century. Not like Manny played a lot of DH on the Dodgers, but he made the list…

Hatteberg at catcher. He had a good enough post-Sox career to be played by Chris Pratt in a movie. He was also traded to the Rockies for Pokey Reese, so he qualifies..

Rick Burleson probably needs some sort of Honorable Mention here…

As a third baseman? Yes. There’s a reason Bagwell never played 3b above AA. I also prefer Bagwell to Cooper at 1b…

At the time, it was exciting to see them so close for Scherzer and Berrios, but at the end when we saw what those pitchers went for, it became obvious that he was sitting at the $1,000 table with only $500 in chips. The real disappointment was that, as far as we know, he didn’t pursue pitchers like Jon Gray, Jose Quintana, Chris Archer, etc. And as those pitchers didn’t go anywhere, we don’t even know if he could have topped any offers. Now maybe he felt Sale and Houck were already better options - which certainly could wind up being true - but that doesn’t negate the need for pitching depth, especially in the rotation. It’s also kind of tough to tell if he could have topped the orders for Rizzo and Gallo, since I don’t know much about the prospects the Yankees moved, and the various sources for learning anything about them give insufficient information (to me, at least). But my first thoughts are they could have topped those offers, but I’m on the fence about whether or not they should have. And my biggest disappointment is that they simply ignored Jon Schoop, which I concluded based on an article that everyone seemed to ignore Schoop. He seemed like some pretty low-hanging fruit…

Moyer may have been the only pitcher in MLB history whose age was greater than the speed of his fastball…

You’re squeezing Bagwell in at 3b with Carney Lansford screaming at you…

I take it it’s an “All Came Up With The Red Sox And Were Traded Away” Team? And we always forget how to squeeze Ben Oglivie on to that team…

The Red Sox never traded Burks

Well, per Fangraphs. They’re the only ones with values attached (except BTV) and Fangraphs has very limited levels…

I said he went after the wrong pitchers 3 times. Now 4…

It’s not. Even Gibson returned Spencer Howard (BA#27) Bloom got outspent by people with better prospects

What we know is Scherzer was traded for anything better than the Sox had. That’s a fact. It’s like if Bloom was at an auction and only had $100. And everything he bid on went for $200. And then you got mad at him for not spending his $100. Now what Bloom should have done is ignored Scherzer and Berrios and focused on other SP. Even Kyle Gibson netted a prospect (BA#27 Spencer Howard) better anyone in the Sox system on several scales. Not sure who you think Bloom was supposed to deal to get Scherzer, considering he was traded in a deal that sent back two highly ranked prospects in Keibert Ruiz and Josiah Gray, both of whom already reached MLB. Maybe if Jeter Downs wasn’t flopping this year, Bloom would have had better chips. Maybe if Mata and Ward didn’t miss the season with TJ. No idea if he would have sent them, but not having those three is a big, big deal. Heck I thought the main reason he acquired Schwarber was to make Duran available. I have no idea if it’s true, but it makes more sense than getting him to play 1b. Bloom got outbid. So did AJ Preller, whom everyone said had a deal in place for Scherzer and had even better prospects to deal. No one is saying Bloom had a good deadline. I’m saying he got outbid by teams who had better prospects than Bloom had. And I am right that even if Bloom put all his good prospects on the table at once, he still falls short of what Washington and Minnesota got in their deals…

Done what deal to get Scherzer? The Sox didn’t have the prospects to compete with the ones the Dodgers gave up.

The price for Rizzo using Fangraphs rankings was Alcantara (FV 50) and Vizcaino (FV 45). Equivalent from the Sox might be Casas(50) and Houck (45) Other players could have been substituted for Houck, but you get the idea…

First of all, you’re judging those deals based on what happened, not on how they looked at the time. If you do that, it’s not fair to compare them to a bunch of players who haven’t played yet. Second, I’m not making excuses. I’ve repeatedly said he went after the wrong targets because they all went for better prospects than the Sox had. Keibert Ruiz, Josiah Gray, Austin Martin - all better grabs than Casas so pretending Bloom wouldn’t deal him is just pointing fingers with no actual proof. Now I am glad we at least got some arms and hope the plan is to roll Sale and Houck into the rotation to help finish the season. I’m just pointing out the Sox have never added some big name Scherzer/Berrios addition at the deadline in a year they won it all..

No. But do you think Sox players think the team badly needed help? Do you think the pitchers think “I can’t do this. We need better pitching. Do you think their teammates feel that way?

They turned out to be great additions. But this was definitely a post prime Kinsler and Pearce was a career journeyman bench guy. Hopefully Schwarber can do as well, but at least he has a better resume pre-acquisition. Let’s face it - no one thought Pearce would turn into a season-changing acquisition when he was acquired…