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Top Pitchers on the farm: Tolle, Perales, Clarke, Valera Early, Sandlin, Witherspoon Paez, Rivera, Monegro, Phillips Uberstine, Mullins, Wehunt Delzine, Cason, Holobetz, Eyanson Ingrassia, J Bello, D Reyes, Foutch Good job, Brez (not all his guys.)

I think Narvaez has to be considered a big surprise, too. Maybe not quite top 3, but if you seperate Gio and Bello into two cases, maybe he fits into a top 5 surprise list. 1. Giolito 2. Rafaela 3. Narvaez 4. 1B 5. Bello Honorable Mention: Wilson & Dobbins Chapman surprised me, but he's been great in the recent past.

That looks very solid. He has 2 years left on his deal (at ages 36 and 37.) He made 74 starts from 2022-2024. That's not bad, but he does miss starts. He's averaged 25 GS and 140 IP per season.

I'm not saying your wrong, but you seem to value the last 3.5 months way more than the last 3-5 years. Not that Pivetta has been bad over the last 3-5 years- quite the contrary, but so has Keller.

I think the idea would be to keep Duran by trading for Gallen, instead of Keller, but I agree. We've had our share of projects and pitchers coming off big injuries. I realize anyone can get hurt, but I want to get a steady guy as the better dice roll, even if it costs us more. Plus, Keller or Ryan would be for 2025 and beyond. Gallen, Cease a few others would be just rentals.

I agree. While Bello and Gio are pitching like great #2s (and even #1's) right now, I'm not sure we can count on out top 3 to continue like this for 3 more months. Even if they do, adding a Ryan greatly improves our odds for the playoffs and having a 4th starter for a few playoff games and to use from the pen would be a huge asset.

Did not know this. Cancel the thought.

Kinda rough on Tolle.

They gambled. If we tried to extend either, now, they'd both want and get more. The deals are not over yet, but both look nice, now.

I guess I messed up. 491 to 406 IP since 2023 is one thing. They are tied in fWAR since '23. That's about it.

We've been hearing posters wanting Joe Ryan, but what about Pablo Lopez? He's ties with Keller for fWAR since 2024 (4.8: ranked 22nd.) He makes $21.8M for '26 and '27, but his AAV is $18.4- about the same as Keller's. He's just 29 and will be 31, when his contract expires. 2021-2025 3.63 ERA (117 ERA+) 88 ERA- 3.44 FIP 1.16 WHIP 9.7K to 2.3 BB per 9 (His 20.2 K-BB% is 10th best in MLB our of 44 pitchers with 600+ IP since '21. He's 19th out of 144 pitchers with 400+ IP.) He should cost less than Ryan due to the money differential.

Chances are he gets someone nobody has mentioned. He may get 2-3 players, so maybe one will be a guy we discussed.

Brez could be wrong on this, but I'm not pretending to know more than he does.

Agreed. I think they just put all their plan on Casas being healthy. I do think Casas would have had a decent year at the plate, but he showed no signs of ever being better than any other 1Bman on D. Maybe they just accepted that as the cost of having a good hitter at 1B. Trading Meidroth was something that hurt more than any of us thought, at the time. Toro was always just a 4A addition. Romy has been a godsend, but only vs LHPs. Devers should have been the plan the second we signed Bregman. I still am sure he'll be a better 1Bman than Casas. We should have had Devers at 1B and Casas at DH, opening day. (Casas as a back-up 1Bman would be fine.)

I'm the world's worst second-guesser, more so with choices I make. I keep coming back to the thought that some desperate team will have to value Duran or Abreu much higher than we do and higher than what they are likely to be worth, going forward. Of course, they could go off an become an MVP or pull a Sale on us.

I know this thread is about MLB trades and has morphed into a trade deadline thread, but how are farm looks for 2026 is a factor in who might get traded and where we lack in system depth that is ML or near ML ready: Here are players listed by sox prospects.com as being on the AA or AAA next year. (They have Duran as a trade candidate and Jh Garica in MLB, but I'm going to list him as farm depth.) C Jo Garcia in AA but he's not really close to ML ready. We need depth, here. (Brannon 1B) 1B: Casas (KC in MLB at 1B) Jordan (Toro?) Brannon 2B: DHam, Grissom SS: Sogard, Arias AA 3B: Romero LF: Eaton, Tibbs CF: Castro, Taylor RF: Jh Garcia, Bleis DH: Hickey, Ehrhard SP: AAA-Tolle, Harrison, Early, Uberstine, Sandlin, Perales, Wehunt, Drohan/ AA-Clarke, Rivera, Paez, Valera, Holobetz, Rogers Pen: Murphy, Wink, Criswell, Guerrero, Kelly, Burdi, Mullins, Song, Hoppe/ AA- Moran, McShane, Ingrassia, Carlson, Dean, Sansone

We think alike on many things, including having a strong and balanced farm. I know injuries are always something we have to plan for and expect, but I feel like sometimes you get to a point where some things get too unbalanced and there is a need to add a key piece. When this happens, I look to the area(s) where we look strongest and deepest, and to be honest, I think our OF is about as deep as one could ever hope for, and it seems obvious that someone will be blocked. One could argue that time is right now with the surging Anthony deserving a FT slot. I get the fear: we trade Duran and someone gets hurt, but what if Gio, Bello or Fitts gets hurt? What if Buehler never comes around? Those issues seem more worthy of attention, to me, than keeping our 4th and 5th OF'ers the strongest in MLB. Not only this, but I also see Campbell as not being an IF'er and a waste of his athleticism to think of him as a DH. We also have the untradable Yoshida inked in at DH for 2 more years. I don't want him in CF, since we have the almighty Rafaela there for many years to come, and I'd like to see KC in LF for the rest of the 2025 WOO season. So, I seem him as depth, but fully recognize he's not proven. The same with Jh Garcia, but he is a plus OF'er on D, already. Yoshida could be an emergency 5th or 6th OF'er, too. I guess I'm just not overly worried about our OF depth, after we trade one. We'll still have better OF depth than we currently have at C, 1B, 3B and pitching. One could argue better than MI, too, since who is there after Story and Mayer? Romy is okay, but needed at 1B and really only a plus vs LHPs. Grissom? DHam? Romero? Arias is too far away and is slumping. I think we have to swallow hard and hope Brez picks the right one to trade and the right pitcher to trade for. I am confident he will not waste an OF'er on a pitching rental. We can't afford another Sale type trade: that's for sure.

I think that is the plan. In some ways it makes more sense. Trade Duran or Abreu plus some decent prospects for a solid 2/3 SP. Trade blocked non top 12 prospects for a 1B rental. Maybe add a RP'er and go for it. I'm just searching for a way to keep our 4 good OF'ers. Since Cora wants Yoshida at DH, we can't play one there.

I chose Duran, because I think Anthony is a better LF'er and needs to keep working on defense. DH might mess him up more than asking a vet to switch positions. Rafaela and Abreu are too good on D and play difficult positions, especially in Fenway. We floated Refsnyder at 1B, since he did play some 1B, long ago, but he'd just play there vs lefties, and we can already free up some OF PAs by having Ref DH v LHPs. It has to be Duran or Anthony or another plan. I really don't want to trade Duran or Abreu, but benching one of our OF'ers every game or playing Rafaela at 2B seems foolish, when we have so many needs, including 1B vs righties. With Abreu sitting vs LHPs, it's a perfect set up, line-up wise, but asking Duran to play 1B is a big ask. (They could have had him practicing for weeks, by now, with extra practice over the ASB.)

Are we being too harsh on Campbell? True, he sucks on D at 2B, and that likely won't change quickly. He may end up in LF or 1B. True, he slumped badly, after a very nice start to his rookie year. True, he has not lit up AAA, after his demotion. But, should we we roast him alive over 205 PAs after his first 14 games? .581 OPS Is it the 144 PA sample size after 28 games? .451. He hit .601 in his last 22 games (73 PAs) He's hit .697 in AAA over 19 games. He seems to be high on some people's "to trade list."

I'm now thinking we have a better shot at Mitch Keller than Joe Ryan. Ryan has been better, recently, but Keller looks better in some areas over the last 3-5 years. 2024-2025 (57 pitchers have 240 IP or more) fWAR T3. Crochet 8.9 5. Skenes 8.3 (23 y/o & 4 yrs of control) 9. Valdez 6.7 (FA after '25) turns 32 in NOV 10. Cease 6.6 (FA after '25) turns 30 in DEC 14. Ryan 5.7 (29 years old & 3 arb years left) T22. Keller 4.8 (same as Pivetta) 29 years old & 3 more yrs of control at $15.4M AAV

You are right. I thought he was getting paid more. Lux Tax is just $15.4M- just a little more than Pivetta's $55M/4 deal. 25:$15M, 26:$16.5M, 27:$18M, 28:$20M 2021-2025: fWAR: Keller 11.3, Joe Ryan 10.8, Pivetta 10.5, Sandoval 8.7 ERA-: Ryan 90, Sandoval 91, Pivetta 96, Keller 101 FIP: Ryan 3.73, Sandoval 3.75, Keller 3.87, Pivetta 4.03 2023-2025: fWAR: Keller & Ryan 8.1, Pivetta 6.7 ERA-: Pivetta 88, Ryan 89, Keller 94, Sandoval 105 I've been wanting us to trade for Keller for years, but somehow, I forgot just how good he has been, too. Thanks for the insights.

Not gonna even bother reading his posts, anymore. It's gibberish, and no that's not an insult, nor have your statements been. It's impossible for someone to think the exact opposite from me on every single issue, but somehow the impossible appeared at our doorstep.

You can still add DFA'd catchers after the deadline, but yes, they may be no better than Zavala. I'm fine with adding a catcher to the 40 that costs us very little and who has an option.

Not hearing much "Fire Cora" and "Fire Brez" talk. Hmmmm....