moonslav59

1) He doesn't need to be HOF to end up producing way more than even what a good Pom may give us in 2 years. 2) Pom may not give us much- making what Espi needs to give barely allstar material to be a big gain. 3) Espi has a significant chance at being a very very good player.

I've been super high on Espi since the start. People still talk about the Bagwell trade, so I think there is a chance we'll be talking about this trade for many years to come.

I'm okay with the criteria. There has to be a cut-off somewhere.

If you were referring to Wake. Wake was an iron man.

This is the deal I have the biggest beef with. I realize Espi is just potential value, but his upside is so damn high, I shudder at the thought of what we might have lost.

Like I said, I'll take quality over quantity. According to this: http://theprocessreport.net/the-top-...0s-are-coming/ Beni has a 83% chance of a WAR>3.0 Devers has a 74% chance. Groome has a 59% chance.

Travis did not make the list. Former prospects inclded Moncada, Kopech, and Margot. I only looked quickly but didn't see Guerra, Dubon, or Basabe. You missed Espi at #21.

"What's Wrom with Pom?"

Well said. Our priorities are messed up. Some countries have laws where the top person in a company can't make more than 20 times the lowest guy. That makes some sense to me. You have to keep the incentive to make more for doing more or being smarter, but how much is just too damn much? It's sick how worker productivity has risen, while their pay has fallen, and those who just "invest" or "speculate" make millions and billions.

There's a difference if they view the team as a business or a hobby. The billionaires spend what they want for enjoyment, so it might seem obvious they'd want to spend whatever it takes to enjoy their shiny toy and watch it win championships. Plus, there's some fame involved with owning champions. Most really rich people got to where they are not by spending big to look good or be happy, but by keeping expenses low and looking for more and more ways to make more and more money. Just because profits are extremely high, doesn't mean one is obliged to spend more.

True enough. I guess when you're a multi billionaire, a few million can be called "frivolous". I'd be happy with just a few hundred grand.

I guess we were dinged for not having many prospects, in case the great ones we have don't work out- strength in numbers. I'll take quality over quantity any day.

lol.

His L-R splits have been very close, so I'm not sure that was a major factor. I think they did not want to spend large at DH. They may have thought 3-4 years was too long and would keep then from being able to extend someone. I also think they like the idea of HanRam and maybe eventually Pablo at DH their last or last couple contract years.

We have the highest surplus value and the highest mean value, but I'm not sure what that all means.

I really think Sox management viewed HanRam and/or Pablo as the eventual replacement(s) for Papi when they signed them.. The signing of Moreland to at least play 1B vs RHPs somewhat supports that idea. Signing EE would pretty much force HanRam and Pablo to be our corner IF'ers until their or EE's time was up. Also, when we play in NL parks, HanRam or EE would have to sit. Of course, with an unlimited budget, none of these factors would or should have prevented an EE signing instead of Moreland, but signing EE to multiple years would put us in danger of hitting the $20M over the threshold line or possible prevent us from extending one of our players for fear of hitting that penalty line next season.

Baseball America's Top 100 Sox and ex-Sox: 1. Benintendi 2. Moncada 18. Devers 21. Espinoza 24. Margot 32. Kopech 43. Groome Wow! 5 Red Sox products in the top 24. That's 1 out of every 5! 7 in the top 43. That's just about 1 in 6!

I totally get that argument, and I don't disagree with it. If I was that rich, I wouldn't care about tax penalties on my toys (baseball team). However, I think he views this as a business too, and he didn't get where he is today by spending frivolously. I can see wanting to rest the luxury tax from time to time to try and keep added expenses down, but I get the feeling this might be the last year we're under for a while. I do think they avoid going $20M over, so they don't start losing picks and reducing slot money.

The league might argue that we were given an updated injury report and the chance to reverse the trade already. We rolled the dice and maybe lost, if he is indeed still recovering from that same injury and performs poorly as a result.

As arb costs rise and extension talks begin with our core young players, it would really help if we could add some minimum cost players to replace our free agents - to- be: after 2017: Moreland >> Shaw (maybe Devers with Pablo moving to 1B/DH) Young >> Swihart Abad >> Scott, Owens, Johnson, Ysla, others That's about $14M to cover option year recalculated luxury tax increases: C Sale $6.5M to $11.5M Kimbrel $10.5M to $12.0M Total: $6.5M Arb Raises: Betts arb 1 of 3 Bogey $4.5M> arb 2 of 3 Pomeranz $4.45M > arb 3 of 3 Bradley $3.6M > arb 2 of 4 J Kelly $2.8M > arb 3 of 3 Thornburg $2.02M > arb 2 of 3 B Holt $1.95M > arb 2 of 3 Rob Ross $1.825M > arb 3 of 3 S Leon $1.3M C Smith > 1st of 3 arbs ERod & Swihart> 1st of 4 arbs Wright and Vazquez > 1st of 3 arbs My guess is, we go over the luxury limit, even if we sign no new free agents. After 2018 might be too hard to speculate, but we do know this: Kimbrel ($12M), Pom (3rd arb), Kelly (3rd arb) and Ross (3rd arb) reach free agency. This might total close to $23M, which might pay for more arb raises and Sale's raise in option from $12.5M to $13.5M. There might be a little left over for a mid level free agent or go towards part of an extension, but I think either way, we'll be over the limit for a second year in a row. After 2019, things become wild and crazy. We lose may lose these players to free agency: $22.0M HanRam (Travis/Devers/Dalbec?) $20.6M Porcello (Groome?) $19.0M Sandoval (Devers/Dalbec/Hernandez?) $13.5M C Sale 3rd arb Bogaerts 3rd arb Thornburg WOW! Betts & JBJ on their final arb year too.

I think we still should be given the chance to back out of the deal right now.

MLB Network now has the buy one team package. It might be cheaper than the bundle.

Or just get basic cable.

I know I cringe when I pay for my cable bill!

I still the money saved by trading Buch will allow us to acquire a better player when we need it.