moonslav59

Maybe the surgery will end the reoccurring issues with his knee once and for all. We should not rush him back!

I can't imagine Boras recommending a 1 year deal. I don't see any other team out there offering 4+ years at $25M+. I still think he ends up here.

We offered JD a fair contract. If he chooses to go elsewhere, I'm fine, as long as option B is still on the board and obtainable. I don't feel any anger towards JD for wanting more. I actually think he's lucky to be a FA this year rather than next, but maybe that's just me. He's the cream of this year's crop. He won't be next year. He'll be a year older. He most likely will not repeat 2017 numbers in 2018. He's not likely to do any better after a "pillow contract" with AZ. My guess is, he will take the Boston offer once he knows nobody will come close to it, which makes me wonder why we keep bidding against ourselves so often. $104-108M/4 might have blown away the next best offer.

...this is my last post on here. Me, too.

That's how I see it. I don't blame JD for trying to make his big pay day the biggest he can possibly get. I'm thankful that DD is seemingly holding firm. I don't think a pillow contract will work for JD. The Sox offer is likely the best. If he doesn't want it, then that's the way it is.

I think the percent of decent and thoughtful people was higher than you think back in the day. Yes, many good and great people have a skeleton (or two) in their closet. Nobody is perfect, and I don't expect perfection from anyone. There's a lot of gray in between the black and white.

MLBTR,,, 8:27pm: USA Today’s Bob Nightengale tweets that, in addition to the five-year offer from the Red Sox (which he pegs around $120MM), Martinez has discussed both long- and short-term scenarios to return to the Diamondbacks. A shorter-term deal to return to the D-backs would come as something of a surprise, though it’d be somewhat similar to Yoenis Cespedes’ initial deal to return to the Mets. Unable to find the long-term pact he sought on the open market in the 2015-16 offseason, Cespedes instead returned to the Mets on a three-year, $75MM contract with an opt-out after the first season of the contract. He’d go on to sign a four-year, $110MM pact with the Mets the following offseason. Nightengale reported earlier today that the only other formal offer that Martinez had received outside of Boston was a one-year pact to return to Arizona, though certainly that doesn’t mean that Martinez and Boras haven’t discussed other parameters with the Diamondbacks (or potentially with other clubs whose interest has yet to be firmly reported). 7:30pm: Boras, unsurprisingly, rejected the notion that Martinez is unhappy with any potential suitor, writes Michael Silverman of the Boston Herald. Rather, the agent tells Silverman that Martinez is “involved in multiple negotiations and is pleased with the participants and the good faith process,” calling suggestions to the contrary “not accurate.”

Good point, but the free agents of 5 years ago were sucking out of the gate.

Yawkey is a product of his time. So were so many visionaries that changed the world. Ignorance and lock-stepping are no excuses. Look, it's not like i have no sympathy for the 90% that bought the whole scheme (along with so many still buying it today), but I'm certainly not going to glorify a racist, because he started a foundation that's been helping many unfortunate people.

I have none, other than maybe it being an admirable stab at guilt relief.

If everyone around you is racist, it's okay to be one, too. I'll teach that one to my children.

What's weird is that "older FAs" signed last winter year actually did pretty good in 2017.

Again, one year does not project to the following year. If Pedey continues as a negative O WAR batter, then of course we change the plan.

I think the fact that nobody is signing has added to the frustration level. If he does not want to play for us, we'll find out at some point. If other options are close to signing before we find out, we may need to move on or issue an ultimatum. Until then, I don't think we should pass on our first option based on what JD said or might have said.

Yes. He might be frustrated and antsy. He might have said something to a friend that seems out of line. None of this concerns me. If he signs with us, it will be because he wants to play here. He's had more time to think about it than CC and Renteria had.

If we told Nunez, we plan on DH'ing Pedey a lot going forward, he might be more inclined to sign here. If we sign JD, we'd have to convince him to be our supersub. He'd squeeze most of the ABs from Hernandez, Brentz, Swihart (no-catching), and marrero. Holt would be traded.

If we don't sign JD, but sign Nunez to 2-3 years and Duda to 1 year, we'd be perfectly set up to sign Machado and trade Bogey for a SP'er or SP & RP or DH/4th OF type. We could use Pedey and maybe Devers at DH a bit. Nunez > hernandez.

Yes, I forgot EROD, I'll go back and add him. Thanks.

I could care less what JD says aboput negotiations. I'm not booing him opening day (assuming he signs here). If he sucks like CC did, I'll boo with everyone else. (BTW, I hated the CC signing day one, so maybe my trigger finger was twitching sooner.)

Umm, my position is that we destroyed CC.

If they "misread the market," so what? Once they realize, he's not getting anything close to the Sox offer, we can sign him at what we wanted to sign him at. Why should we "move on" from someone we wanted, at the cost we wanted him for, over some words JD said to friends? We lose, if we walk away fro a possible deal we wanted in the first place. If JD goes elsewhere, for less, good for him. We can spend the money elsewhere. But, I'm not moving off our option A, until I know it's not an option anymore.

I doubt there will be much "awkwardness", if JD signs with the Sox. (Unless he sucks out of the gate.)

I'm in Maine every summer and make it to a few Sox games every year. I also watch every game on TV.

I do agree that Machado over Bogey outweighs Porcello over Wright.

Again, I don't disagree, especially, if we don't sign JD this winter. Concerns with your plan... 1) Losing Kimbrel & Kelly will need serious addressing or good luck with Smith & Thornburg. 2) Arb raises might be more than you expect. Betts 2 of 3 JBJ 3 of 4 ERod 2 of 3 Smith 2 of 3 Thornburg 3 of 3 Vazquez 2 of 3 Wright 2 of 3 Workman 2 of 3 Barnes, Hembree & Swihart 1st arb years 3) Pom might cost $20M 4) Who's our DH? Chavis or Brentz? (Could be scary.) 2019 Biudget 31 Price 28 Machado 15 Betts (est) 15 Pedey 13 Sale 10 JBJ (est) 6 Kelly 3 Smith, Wright, Vazquez That's about $150M for just 10 players. Add $15M for player benefits, and we're at $165M with 30 players to pay. SP1 Sale SP2 Price SP3 Pom SP4 ERod SP5 Wright SP6 ______ (Johnson, Velazquez) (Serious issues with this rotation) RP1 _______ RP2 Smith RP3 Thornburg RP4 Barnes RP6 Hembree RP7 Scott/Workman/Maddox (We may need help with the pen after losing Kimbrel & Kelly) C: Vaz & leon/Swihart 1B: Moreland 2B: Pedey SS: Machado 3B: Devers LF: Beni CF: JBJ RF: Betts DH: ______ (Chavis/Brentz) After 2019, we lose $14M oif Pablo ($19M - $5M buyout), but Sale will get a $20M raise, and arb costs will skyrocket.