moonslav59

Yes, and the back end of Cano's deal will likely be "dicey" as well. Last 3 years with the Yanks (fWAR): 5.1 7.6 5.2 4 years with Seattle: 5.2 2.1 5.9 3.2 You can already see a drop-off.

Cool! One less mistake signing off the books. Also, same contract as Shane Victorino's deal with us.

Then, how much would anyone have to pay to get Pedey out of Boston? (Much more than $14M x 8! Hence my "underpaid" comment.)

I'll take under 81.

Not necessarily. They might be fine with an offer on the table and find it "acceptable" but are hoping to get more by waiting.

JD has had injury issues, but much of his low PA seasons earlier in his career had to do with not being a FT'er.

I'm thinking you misunderstood my question. Let's assume my original example was correct, and that SF outbid us by $2.5M, but the Sox were given a chance to match or beat that offer. Assume, without any OF demands, the Sox NOT were prepared to offer $5M more ($2.5M more than SF) or even $2.5M more. Why would the added demand of JD wanting to play OF make it more likely we'd up our offer?

Yes, he was already set to earn $10M in 2014 with an $11M option for 2015 ($500K buyout). He then signed a $13.75M x 8 year contract. Here are the yearly salaries for the 2Bmen harmony listed: $24M x 10 Robinson Cano $15M x 5 Ian Kinsler $13.75M x 8 Pedroia $13.5M x 2 Chase Utley $12.1M x 6 Brandon Phillips $11.7M x 3 Aaron Hill 2B WAR from 2014-2017 http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=2b&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2017&month=0&season1=2014&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0 Despite the injuries, Pedey still placed 6th at $14.5. While I agree with those that think the fangraphs value numbers are inflated, here they are: 2007: $20.8M 2008: $39.2M 2009: $29.6M 2010: $19.2M 2011: $59.6M 2012: $29.1M 2013: $38.3M (Pre contract) 2014: $31.3M (Post contract) 2015: $20.7M 2016: $42.8M 2017: $15.4M He apparently earned more than his average salary every year after signing but still has the back 4 years to go. However, he's already earned more than $110M already by this measure... just over the full contract amount in just 4 years! (Noe: I do not agree he has earned $110M by his play over the last 4 years.)

8 words: Did I say it was "at the time"?

Maybe a scratch ticket.

Yes, and he was the best 2Bman.

True, but much of JD's low PA seasons were a result of him not being FT until rather late in his career- not injuries.

By more than what they might have increased it anyways to try and top SF to get JD as a DH?

Pedroia Sentimental contract for a Sox hero, but unlikely to have value relative to the money spent He was underpaid (by market value) on that contract.

Yes, Henry has always kept us very close to the luxury tax limit.

I'd rather have Beltre, too and said so. BTW, we have a very good track record with comp picks since 2005-- maybe even better than top 15 picks. Maybe it's luck: maybe we should expect it. 2005: Ellsbury & Lowrie for OCab Bowden & Hansen (part of Manny-Jay Bay trade) for D Lowe Buchholz & Egan for Pedro 2006: Daniel Bard & Kris Johnson for Damon Caleb Clay & Aaron Bates for Mueller 2007: Nick Hagadone (part of Masterson-VMart trade) for Alex Gonzalez Ryan Dent for Foulke 2008: Bryan Price for Gagne Stephen Fife for H Morris 2010: K Vitek & A Ranaudo (traded for R Ross)for Billy Wagner B Brentz & B Workman for Jason Bay 2011: Matt Barnes & Henry Owens for VMart Blake Swihart and JBJ for Beltre 2012: Brian Jonson and Pat Light (traded for Abad) for Paplebon 2014: Michael Kopech (part of Cris Sale trade) for Ellsbury I wish I won the lottery as often as this!

Now, that is a possible scenario, where saying he wants to play OF might actually be a clue to other GMs that he does not want to sign with the Sox as a DH. My guess is, then, that he might be willing to take less money, and that's why they want to bring more teams into the picture. JD can easily get 30-40 games in LF with the Sox without any injuries to anyone. Maybe, that's not enough.

Of course, but in hindsight, he was just about to start his steep and quick decline.

When your agent's beginning point is $210M/7, I would not be surprised to find out that at this point, we are the only team making a serious offer as opposed to maybe some other teams kicking the tires with just talks.

If another team is a serious bidder right now, it's been a very kept secret, but of course there could be someone else. For argument's sake, let's assume the Sox have offered $125M/5 and SF has offered $127.5M/5. How would coming out and saying JD wants to play OF and not DH add incentive to the Sox to increase their offer and try to top SF? If we planned on trading JBJ after signing JD anyway, then I assume the statement makes little difference, but does BoarA$$ know this?

Red Sox ownership has given president of baseball ops Dave Dombrowski more autonomy than his predecessors received, writes Evan Drellich of NBC Sports Boston, and it’s been Dombrowski who has primarily driven the Red Sox’ pursuit of J.D. Martinez. Drellich wonders if now is the time for Dombrowski and owner John Henry to begin showing this type of restraint — Boston has reportedly offered Martinez five years but drawn a line there — as New York and Los Angeles both loom as potential big spenders again next offseason. Drellich also takes a look at Dombrowski’s history of splashy moves (some of his own volition and some driven by late Tigers owner Mike Ilitch during Dombrowski’s days in Detroit) as well as his reputation as an executive that is, at times, willing to overpay on the free-agent and trade markets.

Did you ever see Espinoza?

Really? Forget Beltre but harp on Travis freakin Shaw?

I get that, but I'm wondering how some posters think it's a ploy to add bidders or possibly drive his price up. To me, the price only goes up, if the Sox start bidding against themselves or start changing their plans by trading JBJ just to accommodate JD (if, indeed, that is a change),

Is Velazquez the next Fernando or Abe Alvarez? Probably, somewhere in between.