moonslav59

Well, a cliff involves a bit of surrender.

He certainly could be a flame out like Willie Mo, and it's not like Bloom had a spotless record with trades and signings with the Rays. I'm cutting the guy some slack. 1. We don't know the pool of players he has to choose from with those 3 PTBNLs. 2. Winckowski sure looks like a throw-in, but he's ranked right behind Whitlock- a guy many here got a little excited about. 3. It's not like anyone here was sure Beni was going to bounce back. I keep hearing the term "sell low," and I used it myself a few times, but "sell low" means he's sucked, recently. Yes, we know Beni can be good: he showed us a few years back. 4. Franchy Tuscadero has had some success in the minors, as have many flame-outs, but he seems to have the tools to put up numbers as good or better than Beni. The high K rate is very concerning, but he's got speed and raw talent. I'm holding off judgement, but I know that's a cop out, so if I had to call it right now, before we know who the 3 other players are, I think this is an okay move designed to give us some hope for the near future (3 years of Franchy vs 2 of Beni at a higher cost) and the longer term with the other 4 players.

When compared to all utility players, I'd call EHern one of the best. Beni was not slated to be a FT LF'er for us, in 2021, so it's a little deceptive to say we traded a FT'er. Nobody got too excited when we got Big Papi at age 27- not that Franchy Tuscadero will come close to what Papi became. As for Sawamuro, who knows when signing guys like him. At $2.4M/2, it's hardly worth mentioning over the Renfroe signing and Ottavino trade. This is what a cliff and rebuild looks like.

Well, #31 has a locker there, now.

...or 2Bman and move EHern to CF where he is clealrly better.

John Winckowski placed #32 on the top sox prospect list at soxprospects.com- right behind Garrett Whitlock. https://soxprospects.com/players/winckowski-josh.htm

EHern UZR/150 (last season with 100+ innings at position) 2B -6.2 (-26.9 in 2020) SS +10.4 (+0.4 in 2018) CF +8.4 (+49.3 in 2019) LF +18.0 (+24.8 in 2016) RF +11.9 (-5.8 in 2017) Total OF:+ 12.0 in 2055 innings Career DRS by position (innings) +18 2B (1263) +14 LF (603) +4 CF (1109) +3 SS (536) +3 RF (343) -1 3B (155) -2 1B (89) +21 OF (2055) +18 IF (2044)

I can understand not wanting Cordero as the FT CF'er, but I doubt we add an aging CF'er, even if he accepts 2 years. I doubt we're even talking to him, now. Another trade may be in the works, as well as announcing the Sawamuro signing. https://www.masslive.com/redsox/2021/02/boston-red-sox-hirokazu-sawamura-agree-to-two-year-24-million-contract-pending-physical-report.html

So, minus about $800K, and we saved $1.4M and whatever Beni would make in an Arb, next year minus Cordero's salary.

...and guys like Kinsler can be picked up mid season pretty easily, although Buttrey turned out better than expected. We also have Munoz & Arauz and Downs as a possible late season arrival.

I was assuming no more additions, but I actually agree with your point. I've been saying for a while, our team looks better with EHern in CF, and I'm not sure Cordero over Beni changes that. (Neither would look very good in CF.) It's what I'd prefer, but I posted what I think will happen- not what I want to happen.

I'm thinking with no more moves made, these players will see the most time at these positions (2nd most): C: Vaz (Plawecki) 1B: Dalbec (Chavis) 2B: Hernandez (Arroyo) 3B: Devers (Arroyo) SS: Bogaerts (Arroyo) LF: Renfroe (JD in NL parks-Cordero) CF: Cordero (EHern-Verdugo) RF: Verdugo (Renfroe) DH: JD (Chavis) Any disagreements?

The big plus would be moving EHern to CF and improving 4 positions defensively.

Assuming we will be straddling the line or going over, this year, yes, mostly.

Yes, overpaid while having a very good year that looks like it might have been an outlier. He's not getting younger and has already seen his defense slip.

Yes, we save $2.2M on the Lux tax, but $3.8M in actual dollars. His contract is $6.6M, so KC is paying $3.8M. The $5M is the lux tax cost, which doesn't affect KC.

I still don't see a JBJ signing, here. Too much money. Too many years.

Thanks for the long list. Some of these names might work out. The higher priced ones would need some cash included or a prospect thrown in to sweeten the deal. I'm thinking Bloom would be looking for long term solutions on the younger side.

In theory, there was no reason the 2019 team should have sucked so badly. The window DD built should have been from 2016 to 2019 or even 2020, even with a reset in there somewhere.

What about all this happening and Codero out-hitting Beni's 2018?

Who are some rather low cost CF'er or 2Bmen available via trade, at this point? Someone that won't take a decent prospect to acquire and will not bite into the budget too much? We could maybe afford another Ottavino type deal, but maybe not that much cash. I'm thinking Adam Frasier (2B-Pitt) is one name that has been floated. I'm thinking with no more moves made, these players will see the most time at these positions (2nd most): C: Vaz (Plawecki) 1B: Dalbec (Chavis) 2B: Hernandez (Arroyo) 3B: Devers (Arroyo) SS: Bogaerts (Arroyo) LF: Renfroe (JD in NL parks-Cordero) CF: Cordero (EHern-Verdugo) RF: Verdugo (Renfroe) DH: JD (Chavis)

Well, in a sense, some may view us at a point where we're at the tail end stage of trading everyone away, if you count letting FS go. Here are the PA & IP leaders of the 2018 team: PA 661 Beni 649 JD 614 Betts 580 Bogey 535 JBJ 502 Nunez 490 Devers 459 Moreland 367 Holt 288 Leon 269 Vaz 207 Swihart 195 HRam 165 Pearce 143 Kinsler 73 Lin, 38 Travis, 27 Philips, 13 Pedey IP 191 Porcello 176 Price 158 Sale (will not be on opening day roster) 130 ERod 99 Johnson 85 Velazquez 74 Pomeranz 66 Kelly 62 Kimbrel 62 Barnes (last year of control) 60 Hembree 54 Eovaldi 54 Wright 41 Workman 34 Brasier 24 Thornburg 22 Poyner, 17 Cuevas, 15 Walden, 14 C Smith

I never bought into that kind of thinking. Had Bloom liked Beni and/or not been looking beyond 2022, Beni would still be here.

Had the Royals sent Duffy to the Mets, it would all have come out pretty even, assuming the Sox get some value from the 3 PTBNLs. Had we gone by BTV, we'd have just trade Beni for Lee and 2 PTBNLs and got a big plus rating.

100%. Vaz might be next on the list after all the one year players have been shopped. Bogey is the tough call.