moonslav59

Yes, every year he has chosen to spend on 5-7 or more guys and not 1-3. The first 2 years, he had to. He started with about 20 holes on the 40 man roster and a precious little winter spending budget. Before 2021, he signed a bunch of 1 year deals. Only Kike and Sawamura were more than 1 year. Not counting the trade for Ottavino's contract (+German): 1. Richards $10M 2. Kike $14M/2 3. Perez $5M 4. Renfroe $3.1M 5. Marwin $3M 6. Andriese $2.1M 7. Sawamura $3M/2 Last winter, he finally went somewhat large and long for his first time, but still signed 5+ players, not counting adding JBJ's bloated contract: 1. Story $140M/6 2. Paxton $10M 3. Wacha $7M 4. Hill $5M 5. Diekman $8M/2 6. Strahm $3M We lose 9m players to free agency, next winter. 9 from the 26. How can he not fill 5-7 slots? He may fill 8+. Yes, some may be and should be by trade, but I can't see less than 5 FA signings, this winter.

What did you guts really expect for... $7M (Wacha) $5M (Hill) $8M/2 (Diemnan) $3M (Strahm) $700K (Schreiber) OK, it's fine to say Bloom was wrong on spending $6M on Paxton and thinking beyond 2022. Yes, the JBJ money could have been used to upgrade. Yes, Bloom could have signed 2 better (healthier?) guys, instead of 5. He c ould have spread the Story wealth around more evenly. Lots of what ifs... I'm not saying, you, MVP, are ignoring the budget context, but sometimes I think some posters forget that spending more on one area would ahve meant spending less in another. They bitch about not spending more on 1B and RF, and sure, it's easy, in hindsight, so say we should not have spent $8M on Diekman and $5M on Hill and spent on 1B and RF, instead, but look at all the pitchers on IL. One could also argue he should have signed 2 more pitchers for $13M or the $24M spent on Story and not on 1B and RF. $

Indeed. Devers holds his own in SLG, but the OBP disparity in immense. Also, because Soto walks so much, he has less XBHs, something I find hard to hold against him.

I still think the Beni trade was at worst a wash. As we used the money saved to get Renfroe. People forget the Beni trade saved us money in a year where Bloom was severely restricted. (That was the main reason I scratched my head after we traded him for the $12M JBJ plus his $8M buyout) I only brought up Beni because I was sure the troll forgot it. It’s the type of non context trades he trolls.

Funny how Casas was the plan for this year and Bloom was bashed for it, and now the plan for 2023? (I’m okay with the idea, as we have to choose a few places to fill from within, again this year.) I’m not for bringing Vaz back but if we do add $10+ M. Noting wants to offer him a QO, so maybe way more than $10M. We have no ML ready OF prospects, unless you count Duran who should only play LF where we already have a guy who should only play LF. Who DHs? Dalbec, Cordero and Northcut? Lol!!! Then, we need 3-4 pitchers just to get us back to even, which is last place, if reminding is needed. Nate, Wacha, Hill and Strahm. To many slots to fill with $50M to spend, IMO, and that’s why I am near certain Bogey walks. The only way he comes back is if no GM pays him more than what most expect his minimum is, maybe $150/6

I’d rather have Refsnyder. I’d rather the longer control of Dugo and Duran, and it’s about even on those two counting just the last 2 months of 2022.

My bad. Add $25M to the total available to spend, assuming we extend him this winter. $51M is a lot more than $36M, but still makes filling 5-7 slots with high level talent pretty difficult. Not impossible, but not easy. This was the area Bloom was supposed to excel at, so he better find some more gems in the rough.

BTV accepted: Bogey, Nate, JD, Wacha & Wong to STL for Mikolas (1 year after 2022) Herrera (fine catching prospect) MCgreevey (pitching prospect w value near any 2 of Pivetta, Crawford, Gonzalez, Walter or Wink)

Okay, you pick his 2 worst moves and act like that's it. (BTW, you probably forgot the Beni trade.) You don't consider the budget, farm and 40 man roster he was handed. You act like he traded 10 years of Betts for Dugo, Downs and Wong. He traded a 60 game season for them. Still bad, but let's not act like it was more than it was. The good: Whitlock: rule 5 Schreiber: waivers Refsnyder: waivers Pivetta & Seabold for Workman & Hembree Renfroe, Kike, Wacha, Strahm and other minor signings that worked well. Built up the farm in less than 3 years. No, he has not been perfect, but some context is needed, as always.

BTV Yanks: 8.1 Beni (2+ month rental) KCR: 7.4 (Beck Way 4.6, TJ Sikkema 2.0 & C Champlain 0.8)

Maybe Sox fans are over-valuing Beni. It wouldn't be the first time.

99:1, yes.

None named Vaxx?

Opinions are fine, but can you enlighten us on what aspects of the game you think Devers is even equal to Soto on? Age progressions: (Red= led league) OBP Age: Soto/Devers 19 .406/ Minors 20 .401/ .338 21 .490/ .298 22 .465/ .361 23 .401/ .310 24 TBD/ .352 25 TBD/ .379 SLG 19 .517/ Minors 20 .548/ .482 21 .695/ .433 22 .534/ .555 23 .484/ .483 24 TBD/ .538 25 TBD/.602 Old School: Career per 162 games Soto 700 PAs .291 34 103 (78 XBHs, 11 SBs, .965 OPS) Devers 695 PAs .285 34 108 (80 XBHs, 6 SB, .866 OPS) It's not a big tilt in Soto's favor in some areas, but if he improves in ages 24-25, even his old school his numbers should eclipse Devers'.

Fenway's LF allows us to "hide" a poor fielder without it burning us, too much, but that is only an asset when the guy you are hiding can hit and knows how not to run into outs on the basepaths.

It's very hard to make big moves way ahead of the deadline. It does happen, but not all that often. Bloom only had so much to spend, this winter, and he chose to spend in to fill just a few of the many open slots we had, and hoped in system players could man the other slots well enough to get us into the playoffs. He could have spread out Story's money to get a mediocre 1Bman, RF'er, 2 RP'ers and 4th OF'er. Would we be any better? I thought the rap on Bloom was that all he got was mediocre players in hopes they'd have career years. Honestly, was it crazy to think... Dalbec & Shaw could play well enough, until Casas was ML ready? After all, Dalbec had an career .819 OPS going into 2022 with 33 HRs in 497 career ABs. What GM would have gone out and paid for a 1Bman? Kike would man CF like he did in 2021? Wacha, Hill and some kids might hold down the fort, until Sale & Paxton got healthy? (Okay, this might be a close to crazy, but these guys damn near did it, except Sale's comeback was less than 2 games.) Bogey & JD would get over 100 RBIs, this year. Whitlock and Houck in the pen would make it better than the decent 2021 pen. To me, the biggest gap and mistake was RF and the JBJ trade, and the lack of a back-up for JBJ and Kike, until Refsnyder was given a chance, anyway. The rest made sense, at the time, considering the budget constraints and desire to not hurt the farm for 2022, only.

What other team has built their rotation up so well, they are in reach of the best record in the AL, and they can still offer to trade a controllable SP'er at the deadline, like they are reportedly doing, now? https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2022/07/astros-willing-to-listen-to-offers-on-controllable-starting-pitching.html

Is the deal contingent on him getting vaxxed?

I'd put the odds at 99:1 Cora is back. 98:2 Bloom is back.

I'm not for paying Bogey what he will end up getting, and that was before 7-39.

To revisit the 2023 budget framework: Luxury Tax Dollars ($Millions) 31 Players on 40 Man, now SP 25.6 Sale 8.5 Pivetta (Arb 2 of 3) .72 Winckowski (pre Arb) .72 Crawford (pre Arb) .72 Mata (pre Arb) .72 Bello (pre Arb) minor Seabold (pre Arb) minor Groome (pre Arb) RP 9.4 Barnes 4.7 Whitlock 3.5 Diekman (if we can't trade him, now or this winter) 1.5 Brasier (Arb 3 of 3, if he's not traded or DFA'd by '23) 1.1 Taylor (Arb 2 of 4) 1.1 Davis (Arb 1 of 3- no options remaining) .80 DHern (Arb 1 of 3) .73 Houck (pre Arb) .73 Schreiber (pre Arb) minor Danish (pre Arb) minor P Valdez (pre Arb) minor K Ort (pre Arb) C .72 Wong (pre Arb) .72 R Hernandez (pre Arb) 1B ~1.0 Cordero (Arb 2 of 3) .73 Dalbec (pre Arb) 2B 23.3 Story 1.3 Arroyo (Arb 2 of 3, if he's not traded or DFA'd by '23) 3B ~25 Devers (Arb 3 of 3) SS .72 Downs (pre Arb) LF ~6.0M Verdugo (Arb 2 of 3) CF .72 Duran (pre Arb) RF ~1.5 Refsnyder (Arb 2 of 3) That's about $122M for 31 players. Add a few $Million for the other 9M combined and $16M for player benefits, and we'll be around $140M before spending a dime on additions. To get to the threshold, we could spend $92M. For those who want us to extend or re-sign Bogey and Devers, here's how that might look, minimum: $26 x 5 Bogey $29 x 7 Devers (add $4M to projected arb cost) That's $55M. If it's true we are re-setting after this season, then that leaves about $51M to fill all the rest of the slots not filled by in system players. Let's play best case scenario and figure Casas can play 1B, next year, and one young starter can take Hill's 5 starter slot. We need to fill the 1/2 slot (Nate) and the 2/3 slot (Wacha), unless you think our 5 man rotation will be Sale, Paxton, Pivetta, Winckowski and Crawford/Bello/Mata (or Whitlock). We also need a catcher and CF and RF, unless you want to go all year with Wong/RHern at catcher, or Refsnyder/Duran in RF and CF FT. And, who DH'es? Dalbec/Cordero? LOL!!! How can $36M fill SP1 SP2 C 1B CF RF DH Unless Henry opens the wallet, again, what good does it do to sign Bogey? We ain't winning by bringing the same team back minus JD, Nate, Wacha, Hill, Kike, Vaz and Strahm, or by filling all their shoes with $36M.

This guy needs to work on his power numbers! LOL

The only way he takes that is if it's the top offer. He may pull a Correa and go short term, in hopes he busts out in 2023, and then gets a big contract, if that's the best long term option he gets.

Has there ever been a year under Henry where we needed a CF/RF'er more than this year? Cora would rather bench Duran than play Verdugo in RF. Cora would rather play Duran in CF than Verdugo. Doesn't that speak volumes? Jackie Bradley has 280 PAs. Nuff said!

More like disloyalty is a two way street, these days.