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So, make sure you give credit where credit is due on the budget and roster/farm status he left for the next GM. No spin, blame or deflections.

Don’t feed the trolls. He will just respond with more falsehoods, made up stats and alternative facts. He even contradicts himself, often in the same post.

On paper, the deals look similar pre hindsight, but in know way does a Duran and some lesser pieces match up with what ended up being given.

I think 95% of Sox fans will not be happy about losing Bogey, including myself. I disliked losing Betts by way more, and would by Devers more, too. I get why we lostBetts and might lose Bogey. It is what it is. Now, do most Sox fans care or even know the difference between losing him for a comp pick or via trade? I’d say probably not, and I get the PR angle and optics of letting Bogey be the one who walks over a trade, but we are talking about degrees of anger, here. The only way I see most fans being a little okay with Bogey bolting is if some team way over pays him, and it seems reasonable we didn’t match it, so maybe that’s the winning PR move. I’m for improving our future, but I realise optics and fan support is part of the business of MLB- the most important in many ways.

No doubt, Bloom has made enough choices to be judged on what he’s done bad and good and the Mehs. Not using any context, however, is not really fair. There are degrees of difficulties. Would the manager of a girls softball team suck if they were beaten by the Yanks? I know that is an extreme example, and I await comments about the ability of Bloom’s team to beat that girl’s team. I know you hate going back to the past and DD, but do you think he’d have been able to build a ring team in Bloom’s winter spending budgets? Sure, he’d have emptied the farm by now, and we’d likely be better, but that’s not what Henry wanted or wants. It’s an unsustainable plan unless you think Henry will just keep increasing the budget as needed. When that happens, then fine, but I doubt it ever will Bloom deserves some bashing. He was hired to find gems on the cheap and has missed more than he’s hit, but he’s not oh for everything, and the roster and farm look much better than 2020, which was Bloom’s baseline. The CDA’s (Cliff Denier Asses) can spin all they want about how useless farms are, but the farm made DD into a winning GM, and not just the guys he traded. It was also the guys Ben and DD did not trade.

Career; ERA+ 126 Castillo 104 Berrios (91 since trade 104 Pivetta since trade FIP 3.79 Castillo 4.04 Berrios (4.14 since trade) 4.13 Pivetta since trade

Sit down, stand down and stand by.

I think Coffee Boy was Ben’s most popular nickname.

Will Sox fans be any happier or complain less doing it this way?

Getting just a comp pick is not good PR, either. If they’d have made Bogey a fairer offer, and he turned it down, trading him would have been better PR than losing him this winter.

$90-110M should get a lot. This will be Bloom’s biggest challenge.

The cliff sucks, doesn’t it.

Talking Bogey off the trade table, or perhaps he never was on it, makes me rethink Henry’s spending plan and Bloom’s apparent desire to have better defense at SS in 2023 and beyond. Maybe they knew he’d nix any deal, but letting him walk for just a comp pick makes zero sense to me. Zero.

Maybe 2014? Workman Ruby de la Rosa Webster Ranaudo Not sure all were rookies in 2014. IM the road, so I can’t do data easily.

There is some logic in stating that re building piece meal is more difficult, and the Astros example of having a complete tear down and then what they have now is one model of success, but yes, it’s not the only one. Teams that spend like we do are not likely to totally tear down everything. Extending Devers would keep fans interested and would be around for the next cycle of a more moderate fire sale. The other factor ignored is that we are already in year 3 of the rebuild. We just happen to have 9 expiring contracts plus a couple options we may turn down. This doesn’t mean this makes it year one of a 4 or 5 year rebuild plan. We have some exciting rule 5 additions to be made this winter and a clean slate on a few positions and contracts that were dragging us down, anyway. If we spend near the tax line or a little above, we can easily be better than the 2021 team.

Jacko, You know I respect you, but you need to re-evaluate the Sox farm. It is way deeper than you give it credit for. Their A- and rookie league teams have som of the most promising prospects we have in the system. Our pitching prospects may not look great but it’s by far the deepest it’s been in at least a decade. We have a bunch of ML ready prospects ready by 23, a bunch more by 24 and even more in 25 and beyond. Add some wild card hopefuls with decent ceilings like Song, Kavadas, Hickey and German and this farm is perhaps deeper than any farm we’ve had under Henry. Not the best, but deeper.

Farms take time to be built up to a point of continuous help being on hand, and drafting HS players first delays the gratification. Also, Casas was supposed to be the big farm help, this year, and we all know how badly our current 1Bmen did, but Casas got hurt. Maybe next year?

Like Berrios is better than Castillo? Lol

Even if just to get a read onRef’s ability to playFT in 2023: it’s worth the try.

I’d have done that, if we felt an extension could be reached.

Don’t hold your breath. I’m still waiting on one link that gave Bloom a failing grade on the Betts deal when made, after Red claimed everyone did.

Right now,Henry’s priority is not to spend wildly. It’s not Blooms choice. The “very little success to date” comment might be premature, since many of his moves were for prospects still on the farm. If “few” means Whitlock, Wacha, Strahm, Pivetta, schreiber, Refsnyder and promising prospects Mayer,Yorke, German and many more, then maybe we disagree on the meaning of few or success within the context of having peanuts to spend the first 2 winters. I

Word is the Yanks made a similar overpay offer. I wish they’d have gutted their farm for 1.3 years of LC.

Maybe a three franchise deal is In tHe works.

That’s not a quality offer.