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From what I can gather on BTV as a nonmember, this might work... To BOS: Donovan 33, Bubic 16 & Pasquantino 13 (+$4M from STL) To KCR: Duran 46 & Contreras -14 (+$4m from BOS) To STL: Hicks -18, Crawford 22 & Casas 18

Sell out cellar dweller sellers.

I think KMarte has 2-3 really good years in him and then 2-3 pretty good ones to end his contract. Just a guess. I think he is light years better than any remaining option for boosting the offense. He also fills a decade long hole at 2B- once and for all. I think Suarez gets 3 years minimum, and I'd rather give $65M/3 than than $48M/2, especially since he probably wont take 2 years. Getting both would mean we could trade Mayer for a really good pitcher (Ryan?) or play Suarez at 1B and mayer at 3B. We could keep Duran in the line-up. We could even go overboard and trade Rafaela for Lodolo. Crochet, Ryan, Lodolo, Gray, Bello 1. L Anthony CF 2. S KMarte 2B 3. L Duran LF 4. R Suarez 3B (1B maybe) 5. L Casas 1B/R Romy 1B 6. R Story SS 7. L Abreu RF 8. L Masa DH/R Romy DH 9. R Narvaez C

I'm not sure why you are so low on K Marte. The guy is aging well, unlike Bregman and others. Bregman is almost 32: OPS+ 132 at age 28 122 at 29 116 at 30 128 at 31 (2/3 of a season) 121 OPS+ ages 29-31 ____________________ KMarte just turned 32 105 at 28 127 at 29 154 at 30 145 at age 31 (141 from 29-31) ____________________ Bichette 114 OPS+ last 3 years at ages 25-27 (-27 from KM) Alonso was 130 in his last 3 years (28-30) -11 Schwarber was 135 ages 30-32 (-6 from KM) ___________________ There is no better option available.

LOL. Are you mocking me?

So, Hicks for the fixed up Brasier?

Tony Cliff-ton

Punch and Judy!

A third team would have to be involved to trade 4 SP'ers, but I get your point. I think an OF'er has to be part of the trade, and Rafaela is the best one to not hurt the offense. Campbell may need to rebuild value, and as a RHB might be worth waiting it out. Rafaela and 2 of those 4 pitchers might be enough for AZ to agree to. So.... Rafaela, Crawford & Harrison for K Marte Dobbins & Mullins for Yandy Diaz (RHB 1Bman) or the same offer plus Hicks (maybe sub Sandlin for Mullins) for Wi Contreras. Not as much as I want, but not bad.

126 OPS+ 2022-2024 (840 PAs is much larger than dalbec fleeting run of success.) 33 HRs per 650 PAs Marte 129 OPS+ 2022-2024 (141 OPS+ 2023-2025 w 29 HRs per 650) 27 Hrs per 650 Duran 123 OPS+ 2023-2025 (different sample era) 16 HRs per 650

This is indisputable. Maybe Anthony passes him sooner than later. Maybe in a couple years he's #3 among the players currently in the Sox system. He's considerably better than Bregman and Bichette due to his power. He's younger than Suarez. He's more proven than Okamoto and Murkami. He's much better than Contreras, Donovan, B Lowe, Y Diaz and Vientos.

It's pretty close, and I realize my opinion is based on a way too small sample size from 2025. To me, Early looked to have supreme confidence and a few different ways to get batters to swing and miss. Tolle looked more like a thrower than a pitcher. It's early (pun intended.) I do think Tolle has a higher upside. I want to keep both. In today's pitcher market, when you see a guy like Brad Keller get what he signed for, I think pitchers like Crawford, Harrison, Dobbins and maybe even Sandoval have some real high trade value. Teams that need pitching but can't even afford Brad Keller will be begging for one of those 4. We can even trade 2 of them! The second good thing going is that we have other desirable pitching prospects beyond Tolle & Early: Witherspoon, Phillips and Eyanson Bennett, Valera, Fajardo & Holobetz Sandlin, Drohan, Uberstine & mullins Delzine, Monegro, Aita & others need more time to build value. We can build some formidable packages with an OF'er and a couple pitchers, and not lose Tolle or Early.

When prospects are called up, they rarely hit the ground running. There is a lag before top production with the good. The lack of farm infusion actually started under DD as Betts, Bogey, ERod, beni & JBJ were just getting into form. Devers first full season was 2018, and he was pretty much it, until Duran, Crawford & Houck started playing a lot in 2023-2024. The only other meaningful player was Dalbec, and he was up and down before being just down. (Whitlock was a Bloom guy.) The farm did better than expected and was not a complete bust, but key prospects were few and far between. That was certainly part of the reason for the team's decline.

I disagree, except for 2021. We actually made good moves before 2022- perhaps better than before '21. even. We added Wacha, Hill and Strahm. We did not have major injuries, except for Sale. Yes, the JBJ reunion wads a head-scratcher, but Kike sucked and we had Dalbec/Franchy/Hosmer muffing up 1B and our 4th and 5th best batters were Vaz and Dugo. That's not a winning team. as Schreiber was the best of the lot The pen sucked. Brasier and Davis had 117 IP and 5.50+ ERA combined. Pivetta led the team in IP. Wink, Crawford and Bello had 37 GS and a combined ERA above 5.40. 2023 was more than 3-4 major additions away from serious contention. Wong .673, Arroyo .638, Kike .599 and Dugo .745 led the team in innings at 4 positions. Duvall was a nice addition but played just 92 games. Sale started 20 games (4.30) and was not in winning form. We had 7 SP'ers with 10+ GS and none were below a 4.04 ERA. No way was this team close to winning. Jansen and Martin were great adds, but the rest of the pen was not very good. By 20254, we were a .500 team. Maybe we were 2-3 big additions from contention, but still 3-4 from serious contention. IMO. Our middle infield was a joke: EValdez .633 led in PAs at 2B and Ceddanne .664 led at SS. DHam .697 and Grissom .465 did not help. 1B was a joke, again .706 Smith, .410 Dalbec & .455 G Cooper could not fill the Casas shoes. Houck pitched well, but fell off at the end. The other 4 starters had ERAs over 4.08, and for the love of God, Criswell had the second best starter season! That's a joke. Jansen & Martin did okay, and the rest of the pen overperformed enough to get us to .500. Contrary to many posters' beliefs, we were not a couple good deadline moves away from competing, seriously. Maybe the term "cliff" is a bit overblown, but we finished last in 3 of 4 years, so it can't be that far off.

Two is better than one!

If we trade Duran, I think Ref returns for one more season. I think we sign Okamoto or Suarez. We might trade for KMarte, and if we don't get Okamoto or Suarez, maybe we get Y Diaz or Contreras via trade or sign Hoskins. I could also see us trade for B Lowe & Y Diaz or Vientos or Contreras. Here is a rough shot at assigning probabilities: 25% Suarez or Okamoto 25% KMarte via trade (5% if we sign Bregman- 0% if it's Bichette) 20% Bregman or Bichette (5% if we sign Okamoto or Suarez) or 15% Murakami (0% if we sign any of these 4, first.) 20% BLowe or Donavan/ Vientos, Y Diaz, Contreras via trade (lessens if position filled from above) 15% Imai, Ra Suarez or Bassitt signing or someone else 15% Ryan, Lodolo, Gore, M Keller trade (0% if we sign one of the pitchers listed above) or someone else Together, this totals 140%, so that shows the odds are against adding two players from above.

The sham could continue!

They had already let Kimbrell & Kelly go after 2018, and they did not replace them. They traded Betts and Price and did not replace them. They never replaced the $21M spent on Porcello, either (after 2020). JBJ, Moreland, Pearce & Brock were moderate/minor losses. We lost ERod & Ottavino after 2021. (Added Story) Bogey, JD & Nate after 2022- also Wacha, Hill & Strahm. (Added Masa.) We did not lose these guys all at once, but when you look at all together and try to offset them with Story & Masa, you have to think that even if Story & masa did great, we fell way short of replacing what we lost and let go. We'd have had to stay close to the LAD to keep a similar team as what we lost.

The point was that these guys did better than their rankings, and the farm was not as "bare" as many, including myself, thought it would be. Yes, the lack of more and better prospects being called up from 2017 to 2023is was a major reason the team model for continued success was not a success.

King re-signs with Padres at $75M/3 with opt outs after year 1 and 2.

It was a very nice departing gift from the wise one. He also left us Aldo Ramirez who netted us Schwarber, Beeks who netted us Nate, Buttrey for Kinsler and Scherff for Robles.

I'm not a Suarez fan, but no way we take on Marte's 5 years and then sign a FA to 4+ years. That's where Suarez comes into play.

We don't have Ref on the roster, and you are assuming a lot, even if all healthy. I see a much bigger loss- muchisimo!

I'm liking Okamoto more and more. The issue with not getting a 2nd bat makes trading Duran over Ceddanne very problematic for the offense. There would be enormous pressure on Anthony & Mayer (or Campbell) and or a great need for Casas, Masa or someone else to take a huge step up on offense. We'd basically be asking Okamoto and those I just mentioned to replace... .774 Duran 696 PAs .821 Bregman 495 .905 Devers 334 .838 Refsnyder 209 .790 Lowe 119 That's over 1800 PAs lost- or 3 FT bats. 600 Okamoto 300 more by Anthony 100 more by Abreu + 200 by Masa 600 by _____?

And being in the basement means we are sellers at the deadline.