moonslav59

Repetition does not make it true. It's not about who is the best fan. There are plenty of fans just on this sight as "super" as anyone else, including myself. It's about you being an awful fan. Rotten to the core. Jacko and other Yankee fans have more respect for the Sox than you do. If everything the Sox do disgusts you so much, why not become a Jays fan?

Story's offer vs the DD contract with Bogey? I think inflation explains it pretty well. If you mean the $30M offer, which would bring the total offer to $90M/4, the AAV is pretty close to Story's, but yes, the total dollar amount for Story was much higher. That was just about as bad as the Lester low-ball offer, and similar in the fact that it seemed like no further offers were made until it was way too late. It seems obvious, to me, the Sox never felt Bogey was worth what he would ever agree to signing. I don't appreciate the dog and pony show they projected, and i'll never understand why they think that old and tired show works. It clearly doesn't and never should have. When they signed Story, Bogey was a goner. Most of us knew that but fought hard to truly believe they'd let him go for a measly comp pick. I'm still flabbergasted. They think they are placating the fans, when in reality, they are just pissing them off more and more. They keep choosing lose-lose options.

I think Bogey could have gotten more. It was clearly a team friendly deal. All Bogey got was one extra year of guaranteed money, but it was at a rate that even at the time, was an underpayment. While true, nobody can predict the market and inflationary aspects, but Bogey would have made more had he not signed that deal. One could argue, he'd have made less, in the long run, because he'd have been a FA after 2021 not 2022, and he'd never have gotten this deal with SD after 2021, but that is not really related to judging the contract he signed. In hindsight, I wish DD would have kept negotiating to try and not have the opt out, but we don't know what Bogey would have taken. Would he have accepted $23M x 6 with no opt out? $25 x 6? It's hard to blame DD for something we'll never know, and that's kind of how I feel about what happened with Bloom and Bogey. Without knowing the bottom line dollar and years amount Bogey would have accepted, it's hard for me to fault not signing him. That doesn't lessen the fact that the $30M/1 yr offer was a slap in the face, but this does not take away from the main issue: what could we have gotten Bogey for 2 years ago, 1 year ago, 10 months ago or even 3-4 months ago? I think he knew he was going to get a big payday, and the Sox would not be the team offering it.

It's pointless trying to interact with Red. He says things he doesn't mean, yet doubles down on them, then when exposed for being wrong and yes lying (as he often knowingly repeats falsehoods), he calls you out for "over analyzing" or shifts to a time he misunderstood one of our posts and repeats a misconception over and over. It really is pointless. He admits it was DD's fault for not extending Betts, then agrees 100% with Dale when blasting Bloom for not extending him and trading him away. Now, that I pointed that out, he will either deny he said it or talk about how I got something wrong. Just watch...

If only you could understand them.

You have every right to boo the guy who ended the curse and brought 4 rings in 2 decades. Nobody is saying you can't. You also keep acting like my bailing on the team in July was somehow equal to your constant disdain and bitching about everything about our team. You bailed on the team the second they added Bloom as the GM and have not let up for one second, since. Yes, you are not even close to being a "good fan" as I am. It's not even up for debate. 3 years you have done nothing but cry and bitch and say how much this team sucks. I bail in July, and you act like hell froze over.

I've never come close to even hinting there is no booing or that crybaby fans are not angry and seek to blame someone-anyone. They and you feel te need to blame. It's who you are. You then misdirect your blame and erase or revise context and history. I know damn well why clowns like you boo and cheer on other boo'ers. It's no surprise to me, at all. You pay a lot for tickets and feel entitled that your team- one of 30- needs to win or someone had to pay for losing. I get it. Really, I do. And again, you keep equating disagreement with not understanding your position. I know your ignorant position, all to well. Keep booing away. Boo at the guy responsible for 4 rings. Sounds real smart.

The talk of Jethro Tull a while ago, makes me think, "Thick as a Brick."

No, you obviously don't know what was handed to Bloom. Yes, Bloom was handed a lot of the players DD was handed, but at vastly different costs and production levels. It's not spin to state facts of fWAR production and budget costs as factors in what each GM was handed and added. Keep booing the team and employees of that team you supposedly love. That sure tells me something. The 5 year drought and budget did change what Bloom was able to do. That's the point you and Dale gloss over and corkscrew spin away.

Somehow stating facts is now viewed as spin. Here is what DD had handed to him (by fWAR/years and cost) 30.3/4 Betts pre-arb + arb 17.4/4 Bogey pre-arb + arb 13.3/4 JBJ pre-arb + arb 8.9/4 Beni pre-arb + arb 8.3/3 Devers pre-arb + arb 4.5/1 Ortiz $16M 7.0/4 Vaz pre-arb + arb 2.9/4 Pedey $55M 2.9/3 Leon. 2.6/4 Holt 2.5/3 HRam $66M -0.9/4 Pablo $78M Acquired: 9.2/2 JD $44M 2.2/3 Moreland $19M 0.5/2 CYoung $13M 0.6/1.3 Pearce $8M -0.7/1.3 Nunez (0.2 Kinsler, -0.5 A Hill) Pitching: 11.4/4 Porcello $88M 9.0/4 ERod pre-arb + arb 3.9/4 Barnes pre-arb + arb 1.7/3 Kelly 3 arb years 2.3/3 Wright pre-arb + arb 2.1/ Workman pre-arb + arb 0.6/1 Uehara $9M 1.2/2 Walden pre-arb + arb 1.0/2 RRoss 2 arbs Added: 17.4/3 Sale $39M 10.6/4 Price $121M 5.8/3 Kimbrel $38M 3.2/3 Pomeranz $14M 1.4/.3 Fister 1.2/1.3 Eovaldi $20M 1.0/0.3 RHill 1.0/2 Brasier 0.3/1 CSmith 0.0/ 0.3 AReed -0.1/0.3 Cashner -0.4/ Thornburg -0.4/ J Smith -0.8 Ogando Carry-overs to Bloom 12.0/3 Bogey $60M 9.9/3 Devers 3 arbs 3.4/3 Vaz $20M 2.8/3 JD $66M 1.2/3 Dalbec pre-arb + arbs 0.0/0 Betts (traded) -0.4/1 Beni (traded) 1.4 JBJ (carry over & added) Added 5.1/3 Verdugo 3 arbs 4.4/2 Kike $14M 2.4/1 Story $23M 2.0/1 Renfroe $3M 1.3/1 Refsnyder 1.3/0.3 McGuire 1.2/0.3 Schwarber 1.1/3 Arroyo 0.8/0.3 Iggy 0.3/3 Plawecki 0.3/1 Wong -0.3/1 Marwin $3M -1.0/2 Cordero Pitching: 7.6/3 Nate $51M 3.9/2 ERod $17M 3.4/3 Houck 1.3/3 Barnes 1.1/1 Bello 1.0/3 Brasier 1.0/3 Sale $78M 0.0/0.6 Workman -0.5/3 DHern Added: 3.9/2 Pivetta 3.0/2 Whitlock 1.8/1 Schreiber 1.8/1 RHill 1.5/1 Wacha 1.1/2 Perez 1.0/1 Richards 0.6/1 Ottavino 0.3/1 Strahm 0.0/2 Win -0.1/1 Andriese -0.2/2 Sawamura -0.2/2 Brice -0.2/1+ Robles -0.3/2 Weber -0.3/2 Seabold -0.5/1 Diekman (traded)

Significant Sox Transaction Since the End of 2022's Season QOs given to Eovaldi & Bogaerts Avoided arb signings: Refsnyder J Taylor Brasier Pivetta Arroyo Verdugo McGuire Signed: Joely Rodriguez Chris Martin Kenley Jansen Masataka Yoshida Rafael Devers (extended) Justin Turner Corey Kluber Adam Duvall Trades: Jacob Wallace for Wyatt Mills Connor Seabold for PTBNL or cash Josh Taylor for Adalberto Mondesi Matt Barnes + cash for Richard Bleier Frank German for Theo Denlinger Signed international free agents: Yoeilin Cespedes, Marcos Almanzar, Franklin Arias, Luis Arredondo, Obed Balderas, Alex Castillo, Albert Chalas, Nixson Cueche, Raimundo De Los Santos, Chad Delancey, Geiser Figueroa, Jesus Garcia, Nathanael German, Liosward Marin, Andruw Musett, Starlyn Nunez, Gerardo Rodriguez, Ricardo Rodriguez, Wuilliams Rodriguez, Yoiber Ruiz, Kleyver Salazar, Argeny Sanchez, Moises Semerite, Jhoan Solarte, and Stijn Van Der Schaaf, Nicolas de la Cruz Key minor league signings: Jorge Alfaro Edwin Diaz Raimel Tapia Narisco Crook Greg Allen, Ryan Sheriff, Matt Dermody Lost to Rule 5: Thad Ward Noah Song Andrew Politi

That's the most sense you'll ever make.

You also still don't get the fact that I loved DD and was 100% behind his plan. I still have zero issues with what he did and didn't do. I just don't stick my head in the sand about the consequences of building that fantastic window.

Laugh away. Funny how you roasted me when I listed Bloom's biggest mistakes and did not mention no Bogey extension, yet you do worse with DD and spin it all away into blather.

... and these revisionist posters call us spin masters!

Not by any means a mess? While it may not be DD's fault many of the stars declined or got hurt, some saw the Sale in jury as a given. 5 years with the fram giving just Houck cannot be viewed as a "mess?" Being handed a budget and being told to slash $60M is not a "mess?" Maybe we have different ideas on what the word "mess" means, but not by "any means?" That's laughable.

No mention of not extending Betts, when he had the better opportunity. No mention of giving Bogey an opt out, instead of just paying him more, when the opportunity was greatest. No mention of creating the budget JH felt went too far and needed slashing. No mention of the 5 year farm drought you hate me repeating. Besides all this, DD did what needed to be done to win the division 3 years ina row and the great 2018 ring season. It was all worth it, to me, but why pretend the rest did not happen?

Pretending the budget did not matter says it all about you and Dale, but remember, you brought it up, not me.

No. I actually pointed out not looking at the cost. Man, you really cannot understand simple English.

I must be imagining the budget was cut by $60M. I made it all up for spin. Got me.

And not signing Betts was Bloom's fault? Talk about corkscrewing to the earth's core. The hole you guys have dug is immense.

Thank you for bring up the list with equal mehs to busts than stars, and not even thinking about their cost. And, you keep acting like keeping Betts was more Bloom's fault than DD's. Talk about spin.

Not that this has anything to do with how well the Sox do this year, but answer these questions, if you wish... Who does better in 2023? McGuire or Vaz? Wong or Plawecki? 2023 Devers or 2022 Devers? 2023 Dugo or 2022 Dugo? 2023 Kike or 2022 Kike? 2023 Kike or 2021 Kike? Yoshida or Bogey? Turner or JD? Duvall or Renfroe? (Just threw that one in there.) Kluber or Nate? Whitlock as a SP or the 2022 Wacha? Bello as a SP or the 2022 Hill? 2023 Schreiber or 2022 Schreiber? Martin or the 2022 Schreiber? Jansen or the 2022 Houck? J Rodriguez or Strahm? Sale or the 2019 Sale (147 IP 4.40 ERA)?

So, we keep Beni and not sign Renfroe. Do we keep JBJ after 2020, because he was one of our core players and was coming off a decent season? Should we have kept Kimbrell, Kelly before 2019? How about ERod? Porcello? How would you cut $60M from the 2019 budget and still keep all our favorite players? I wish we could have, too. I just don't blame Bloom for the mandates.

soxprospects.com... er signing a minor-league deal with the Red Sox two weeks ago, infielder Edwin Diaz has been added to Puerto Rico's roster for the upcoming Caribbean Series in Venezuela. The right-handed hitting 27-year-old was named LBPRC MVP after batting .229/375/.418 with eight homers and 29 RBI over 48 games (192 plate appearances) for the Criollos de Caguas this winter.