moonslav59

For the longest time, the Sox hardly ever got a top 10 pick, so maybe I just wasn't all that into reading about the top players in the draft. I'm not doubting what was written, but I honestly don't ever remember hearing Groome was so highly regarded. It's interesting we just traded Groome for Hosmer, a ton of cash, Ferguson and Rosier.

I guess I wasn't paying that close attention back when we drafted Groome.

I don't recall all the hype about Groome being the best in the draft. IMO, on draft day, Mayer was the best draft pick the Sox have ever had. Personally, I don't think Groome, Beni, Nomar or Billy C were close.

Maybe the closest but still not close, IMO. I don't think anyone had either of those two in the top 2 or 3, let alone 4. Our highest draft picks: 3. Mike Garman '67 4. Mayer '21 4. Ken Brett '66 5. Billy Conigliaro '65 7. Beni '15 7. Trot Nixon '93 7. Trey Ball '13 12. Nomar '94 12. Adam Everett '98 12. Jay Groome '16

I know Mayer was not drafted 1st, 2nd or 3rd. Maybe "consensus" was not all that accurate, but I recall reading some writers saying things like that. Many services had him going #1. Have we ever drafted anyone like that before? We've never had a draft pick with this hype. I'm certain of that- well since the early 70's when I started following the Sox, anyway.

I'm torn between the idea or trading or not. When have we ever had the consensus best pick of any draft? I'm not one that thinks extending Bogey blocks him, either. By the time Mayer is ML ready, Bogey can be moved to 3B or 2B. I'm thinking our best chance to win is not in 2023, so now is not the time to trade him. Then, I think of what we might get for him, and if it's 5 years of a top pitcher, then I start wobbling.

BTV accepts Casas & Wikelman for 4 years of Luis Garcia Would anyone give up Mayer & Wikelman for 3 years of Singer & 2 years of Barlow? Mayer & Wikelman for 4 years of McKenzie & 6 yrs of Oscar Gonzalez?

Since I started following the Six in 1971, these have been our top fWAR pitchers: 76.8 Clemens 2776 IP w Sox 51.9 Pedro 1384 28.5 Tiant 1774 27.8 Lester 1519 26.5 Wakefield 3006 21.3 Beckett 1240 20.9 Stanley 1707 19.8 Hurst 1459 18.8 Eckersley 1373 18.4 Sale 568 18.3 D Lowe 1037 15.1 Schilling 675 15.0 Bill Lee 1414 14.6 ERod 857 14.2 Buchholz 1168 14.1 Papelbon 429 13.1 Porcello 964 11.9 Oil Can Boyd 11.5 Mike Torrez 10.6 Price 10.1 Tom Gordon 9.5 Aaron Sele 9.0 Boddicker 8.8 Eovaldi 8.7 Lackey 8.6 Ojeda 8.4 Rick Wise 8.1 Cleveland 7.8 Dice K 7.7 Johns Tudor Everyday Players 70.8 Boggs 1625 gms 64.3 Evans 2505 50.8 Rice 2089 48.8 Ortiz 1953 44.5 Pedroia 1512 38.9 Nomar 966 38.4 Fisk 1076 37.1 Betts 794 34.4 Yaz 1764 (1971> only) 34.2 Bogey 1264 31.2 Valentin 991 30.7 Lynn 828 29.6 Manny 1083 28.9 Youk 953 27.6 Vaughn 1046 25.7 Greenwell 1269 23.3 Nixon 982 22.2 Ellsbury 715 21.6 VTek 1546 18.1 Devers 689 17.8 Burleson 1031 16.7 Burks 733 16.6 JBJ 965 13.9 Damon 597 13.8 Reggie Smith 405 (1971>) 13.7 Gedman 906 13.0 JD Drew 606 12.7 Jody Reed 715 12.6 Rico 734(1971>) 12.4 Vaz 698

Jamie Moyer?

Probably not too near, and maybe they wait to expand to 32 teams, first.

Here is the list of the top valued SP'ers according to BTV: https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/players/ The ones listed as "high" availability: 30.2 Luis Castillo (6 yrs) 10.1 F Montas (1) 6.5 A Sampson (3) "medium" availability: 45.6 Luis Garcia (4) 43.7 Brady Singer (3) 42.4 Triston McKenzie (4) 42.0 Christian Javier (3) - I suggested Bogey for javier, last winter, when they had identical values. 38.7 Pablo Lopez (2) 34.4 Garrett Whitlock (6) 27.1 Jesus Lazardo (3) 21.0 Matt Manning (5) 19.6 Braxton Garrett (5) 19.5 Bailey Ober (5) 17.5 Jeffrey Springs (2) 16.6 Jose Suarez (4) 15.4 Bryce Elder (5) 13.1 Adbert Alzolay 11.2 Tyler Mahle (1) 10.4 Brock Burke (4) 10.2 Cal Quantril (3) 9.4 Jordan Montgomery (1) Notables: 8.8 Irvin Cole 7.4 JT Brubaker

How about Varitek for Murphy? We could throw in D-Lowe.

I'm positive it's coming. It's about money. Slam dunk.

Mine was a joke. I wasn't so sure about yours.

True, and if he's replaced by a min pay guy, it's no change, at all.

That's why it was in green.

For someone who complains about the many trade proposals Sox fans make, here, that one of his was about as lame as can be.

I've often wondered, if you two were the same poster.

He might agree to a trade, if he knows he will be on the bench, or we might just DFA him, as notin wants us to do.

The Sox aren't trading their starting OF'er for a shaky catcher, either.

I really like Rafaela, but the 5 years of Cabrera and 3 of Berti look pretty good, too.

And, maybe the "miss" doesn't look as bad as it did when we had him. Bloom was not wrong about the guy having talent.

Ask Old "last year was last year" Red.

Would you give Rafaela for Cabrera & Berti? How about Yorke and Jimenez or Chris Murphy for the same two?

I actually got the idea from you.