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It's year one. He wasn't horrible. His D was as advertised. His O has been up and down, and this last "down" has brought his season totals to a point where nobody can say he earned his paycheck, but because it's just year one- in a new league and culture, despite his age, I'm not sure expecting greatness or even goodness in his first year was "fully justified." I'm certainly not as optimistic as I was back in March or mid May or mid July. Hell, I think the guy was still over .850 in early August, so I'm still holding out some hope he can keep up .850 over a full season, and with Cora as the manager, a "full season" might only 135-140 games, when 100% healthy.
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The mantra, at the time, was make the SP'er throw a lot of pitches, get them yanked earlier and earlier, then feast on marginal pen guys. Now, the pens are deeper and better, but isn't walking still a good thing? Lord knows, we've seen our opps score the winning run due to a walk or HBP way too many times. We need to get back to valuing OBP and defense, but without some SP'ers added, we might was well go for the #1 pick in 2025.
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It's not the team tanking: it was the one kid that is trying to make the 2024 MLB roster who tanked. lmao -
Romero's stock is so low, now it would make no sense trading him, even as part of a package. Cespedes may end up the best SS in our current system, but teams no longer pay high for far away gems. Zanetello- the same. (He is likely not going to be a SS in MLB.) Yes, Mayer is the only one that would bring back top pitcher, and even then, we'd likely have to add some other good prospects, too, or someone like Duran or Rafaela. It seems this highly flawed team we follow is loaded with untouchables, to some. I'll say it again: you have to give to get. Nobody wants 6 mid ranged prospects for a potential ace.
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Lackey also brought us something, in trade, and wasn't a dump like the Price part of the Betts trade. He also wasn't all that bad year one and was having a good season when we traded him. 1.5 good 1 okay 1 really bad 1 missed by injury
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He's not "my guy" and never has been. I had hopes the guy could build us into a consistent winner and point out some of the things he did well or seems to have done well, along with being critical and highly critical, where I felt it was needed and justified. Because some of those places you felt it was justified, for that I am labeled. I didn't bash him enough for you, and Red and others, so he's "My guy," I'm a "Bloom lover," I'm an "apologist." I can live in the black and white world you guys seem to gravitate towards, but you guys seem hell bent on bringing me there or tearing me down for trying to see some bright spots in all this mess. Have at it. It seems to bring you pleasure.
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So, trying to see the full picture, as hardly anything is all black and white, is a fault? It's being wishy-washy? It's being a flip-flop? It's being a man with no convictions?
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I'm thinking Bloom did not set the budget, so the "acting like a small market team" was likely more on JH than anyone else. Our budget remained high for a few years, but the winter spending was mid market, until last winter. The Sale, Nate and Bogey extensions plus arb raises kept the budgets high without adding much new blood for almost 3 years (4 of you count 2019 under DD.)
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For all the promises of finding "gems in the rough," it was a bit of a disappointment to see so many lumps of coal messing up our rough. Arroyo did okay for a while. Schreiber and Refsnyder have filled some roles, pretty well. Wong was perceived as a throw in. Pivetta is no stud, but he was a nice score for two fading RP'ers (Workman & Hembree.) Winckowski and maybe Gambrell might make the Beni trade look okay, but it's hard to put them in this category, when we gave up Beni to get them. McGuire for Diekman looks like a steal, but who knows what McGuire might do for us in the next 2 years. Reyes, Urias and Bernardino, this year. There are some others still kicking around the system: Abreu (looking great, so far) & EValdez, but can we call these two gems? (They cost us Vaz.) Rosier and Ferguson for Jay Groome DHam in the JBJ fiasco de la Rosa in the Beni return
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He did get Abreu (and EValdez) for Vaz, last year, but I agree, trying to play it halfway or both ways accomplished nothing.
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You forgot the great Urias & McGuire!
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It was so minor, it is hardly worth mentioning. We gave up Jay Groome, who would not have been protected on rule 5, anyway. We also got back Corey Rosier, who looks better than Groome, plus Max Ferguson, a guy who stole about 80 bases, last year. Groome did not pitch 1 inning, this year.
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Okay. It wasn't really a question you asked, and I'm not sure his comment was directed to your statement, but I think it was a fair response to you saying we have been spending on pitching. You said: And the Sox were passing Price until this year. In fact, the Sale/Price/Eovaldi combo was costing the Sox $58mill in AAV through the end of the 2022 season. And people say we didn’t spend on pitching… He said, later in the discussion, with other comments being made in between: It's not just about spending, but who you spend it on. Bloom spent on starting pitching. But he spent it on the wrong guys. I'm not getting why you are asking who "the right guy" is or was. He's not saying there was one or wasn't one. I think Nate was a pretty good extension, despite missing time and not being sharp all 4 years. To me, Nate and Porcello were good signings. Lackey worked okay. Shorter one? Wacha & Hill.
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Some close losses, so it's not like they look to have totally given up. They seem to have forgotten how to take advantage of other team's gifts, get key hit, or lock down the opps, when we have a late lead.
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Bloom kissed the next guy's ass is more like it.
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It seems he might have been canned for not trading vets for prospects not vice versa.
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He said, Bloom spent on starting pitching. But he spent it on the wrong guys. He never said there were "right guys" or we didn't spend, and I think we was talking about under Bloom.
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We can't win, even when they try to hand us one.
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9/15/23 Sox at Jays
moonslav59 replied to moonslav59's topic in Mike Grace Memorial Game Thread Forum
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Domers with a comfortable win over CMichigan Hartman 16-26 no ints, 3 TDs and 330 yards (13 TDs and 0 INTs on year) Estime rushed for 176 yards on just 20 carries (532 yrds/63 carries 2023) #3 FSU struggles to beat BC and was out yardaged. #1 GA and #10 ALA are in tight games, as we speak.
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Over the long haul, Rafaela should win more games with his D than lose some, but our D has been a triple freaking disaster, this year. It's never been worse, IMO. It has cost us at least 5-6 games, and I'd guess 7-9.
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I'd have said yes, but EC does walk like 6 per 9 IP.
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Much of Ben's "legacy" was traded away, and many of them did not amount to much, but we did get a lot of return value for them. (Moncada, Kopech...) I don't see any Devers, yet, but Bloom has left some with pretty high potential as long as a pretty long list of decent foundational players and role players. Of note, not trading any of DD or Ben's top prospects has helped the core foundation be stronger and younger, buy yes, much is speculative: Bloom's guys: DD's leftovers: ML Level: Story, Yoshida, Martin, Jansen Pivetta, Whitlock, Verdugo, Wong, Winckowski, Urias, Reyes, Abreu McGuire, Schreiber, Refsnyder, Bernardino, Robertson, Joely, ZKelly, EValdez, Mills Minors: Teel, Anthony, Mayer, Bleis, Yorke, Cespedes, Joh Garcia, Romero, Hickey Monegro, Anderson, Drohan, E R-C, Gambrell, Jordan, DHam and others 1 yr left: Sale 2+ yrs Devers, Bello, Casas, Houck, Duran, Crawford Rafaela, Wikelman, Perales, Castro, Walter, Murphy, Mata Dalbec, Bonaci, Paulino and others
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Are you now saying defense can lose games?
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Schreiber is not a closer, but he has been one of our best RP'ers since 2022. His 2.0 fWAR ranks 27th in MLB among RP'ers with 100+ PAs since 2022. 23rd in xFIP 24th in WHIP at 1.10 19th in ERA-
