moonslav59

That's not saying much.

MIN, NYM, PHI, that's what you get in a watered down league.

Big K

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28724129/red-sox-owner-john-henry-says-mookie-betts-trade-was-strategic-not-financial-move Kennedy said it would be difficult for Boston to keep both Betts and J.D. Martinez, who had an opt-out in his contract after 2019 for the 2020 season. Henry: "In today's game, there's a cost to losing a great player in free agency, one that cannot nearly be made up by the draft pick given," Henry said. "We've seen examples of this recently. We at the Red Sox will remember this as one of the toughest, one of the most difficult decisions we've ever had to make. ... We felt we could not sit on our hands and lose him this offseason without getting value in return to help us on our path forward. We carefully considered the alternative over the last year and made a decision when this opportunity presented itself to acquire substantial young talent for the years ahead." When asked if there was anything the team could have done to prevent the circumstances that led to the Betts trade, Henry kept his answer short. "Yes," Henry said. "We could've signed him to a long-term contract, but short of that, I'm not sure what the answer is." Boston made offers to Betts over three different offseasons. The last major offer was for 10 years and $300 million, which Betts reportedly countered by asking for 12 years and $420 million. "We made legitimate offers over three offseasons," Henry said. "We made it clear to Mookie and I made it personally clear, one-on-one, that we wanted to see him in a Red Sox uniform for the rest of his career if possible." ...Henry on multiple occasions made a point to compare the trade of Betts to the 2004 midseason trade of Nomar Garciaparra.,, "I know it's difficult and disappointing," Henry said. "Some of you no doubt felt the same way in 2004 when we traded Nomar, who like Mookie, was a hugely popular homegrown player. All of us in the organization hoped that we would never have to go through something like that again, but most clubs face similar dilemmas from time to time. I understand there's probably little I can say that will change how you feel about this, but it's my responsibility to try." "Today's players spend years in the minors and major leagues earning the right to be paid in a free market, earning the right to make choices. They made significant sacrifices to get there, and they deserve what they receive," Henry said. "Clubs also have choices to make in this economic system. It's a system that has a few imbalances as do all economic systems, but it's a system overall that has led to labor peace and an amazing market for our best players. It's not the system's fault that the Red Sox ended up in this position. We were faced with a difficult choice." Yup, this sounds like Bloom had to talk Henry into trading Betts.

No Bleier No Arroyo No Kike No Brasier No Alfaro, Tapia, Faria, Sherriff, Dermody, Littell

I'd love to see him, tomorrow, but I trust the Sox to know when the time is right. Tuesday: Story Friday: Sale ???: Whitlock ???: Houck

To quote a poster here, "you keep posting that like it is a known fact." His first significant moves were... 10/31 claimed Osich off waivers 12/2 traded Leon for Bautista 12/12 selected J Arauz Rule 5 12/13 signed Jose Peraza 12/19 signed Martin Perez 12/20 claimed C Mazza off waivers 1/2 signed Plawecki 1/10 signed Mookie Betts, Matt Barnes and others to avoid arbs 1/15 traded Sam Travis for J Springs 1/21 traded Lakins 1/28 signed M Moreland 2/8 signed Beni to a 2 year deal 2/10 traded Betts

The homework includes facts you omit, like the fact that Berrios had 1.3 years of control and did not deliver on the expectations TOR and you had, at the time. 4.75 ERA w TOR 2021-2022 1.32 WHIP You really wish we made that deal? (Note: the signing of Berrios and his 2023 numbers are not part of the suggested trade.)

Well, the expected rotation was supposed to be Sale, Paxton, Kluber, Pivetta and Whitlock, so technically this was the rotation depth: Houck Bello Crawford Winckowski Mata Walter Murphy If you want to argue Bello was always going to be given a rotation slot, then move Pivetta or Whitlock to rotation depth. The pen was not so deep with talent, but I think the hope was that we'd have more than 1 pitcher with 15+ GS'd, by now, and some could be used in the pen. The expected 8 in the pen might have been: Jansen Martin Schreiber Bello or Whitlock Houck Bleier Brasier Joely The depth: Crawford Winckowski Kelly & Ort Mata, Walter, Murphy I guess we should have planned for 99 injuries. (Not a sarcastic statement.) (Bernardino added after some DFA's)

Who would?

Exactly. They were also 7-0 v TOR, 4 days ago. This next 10 games may mark the start of a change- or not.

I know you and others really want to blame Bloom for everything, but this one is obvious.

100% Agree, and it wasn't Bloom who decided.

Let's see after this 10 game "easier" stretch.

All he needed was a manager who doesn't treat him like his son!

No. I was curious about the timeline. I wanted us to offer him the world to stay. I hated trading him. I think, once we decided to trade him, with one year left, then added half-Price to the demand, we did okay on the return. Istill wish we kept Betts.

I can see a chance rafaela shocks us all and immediately hits MLB pitchers well. He's one of those guys that you throw away all the reports. Just my take.

The trade suggestion in question was made over a year ago.

In your mind, maybe.

How long was it from the time he refused the Sox maga offer and the trade?

Yup.

They want to think if they can snow the fans, they will keep buying tickets and NESN subscriptions. It's obvious why they lie. I'd be okay, if they just told the truth and went all in on a 5 year plan. Instead, they play it halfway and get nothing: now wins now, no fans support for the BS and an extended future that could have been much better.

Huh? I've said 2023 should be his "make or break" or "legacy year". Later, I said I don't think JH shares that view. Please try to get my position right. I think he made some good deals under the circumstances handed to him. More bad than good. I think his number 1 priority is to build the farm, and it's impossible to grade him on that, this soon. I wanted us to trade prospects for 2 SP'er not One. Why would I be okay with today's performance?

Agreed.

What if those guys told him to trade Bello? LOL