moonslav59

Agreed. I just said the same thing on the other thread. To me, the worst thing about any of these options, from my perspective, is the years of control. If we get Burnes for 1 year, and he bolts, that would really suck. That being said, getting Yamo for 10 years and watching him suck would be worse, but I think at worse, he'll be just a good to decent pitcher for 6-7 years.

He's only pitched over 60 IP, in his last 3 years. That 2021 season was amazing, but he has been very good for the two following years. ERA-: 58> 73> 77 xFIP: 2.43>3.05>3.40 It has been a steady decline, but a 3 year sample size is hard to determine a longer trend. All these candidates have questions. My biggest worry about Burnes is not his projected value going forward: it's the 1 year of control.

Let's see, if he can stick with a team for more than a year.

I would think one from Houck or Whitlock could grow into that role, nicely. Knowing you are in for just 1 IP can really add to the focus and effort needed. I could see using Martin, in 2024, on days Jansen is not available, but I like the idea of giving one of those two a shot, and maybe keeping martin at set-up, where he excels.

Who did?

No. They are what they are: 21.4 in 8 yrs (about 2.6 per season fWAR and 2.6 bWAR) 9.8 in the last 3 years is better (3.3 per season fWAR and 3.1 bWAR) Last 3 years for Monty? 3.4 fWAR per season 3.0 bWAR

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Thanks, MVP.

I could be wrong, but wasn't Gray's last contract agreed to during his arb period, hence the non market type level of pay?

Looking more closely at his last 3 year numbers in Japan, especially his K/BB rate, which is the one thing better than Yamo's, last year. Imanaga's numbers... ERA (IP) K/BB 2.83 (149) 4.4 in '21 2.04 (159) 4.7 in '22 2.66 (159) 7.9 in '23 (age 29) Yamo... 1.39 (194) 5.2 in '21 1.68 (193) 4.9 in '22 1.16 (171) 6.3 in '23 (age 24) I'm not trying to say he's better than Yamo, but if we are anointing Yamo king, based on his numbers, then Imanaga's look pretty good, too. Maybe not as good as Monty or Snell, but possibly close enough to be in the same tier. At worst, he might be the best of the next tier.

I'm starting to think Imanaga belongs in the same tier as Monty and Snell (Gray and Nola are gone.) I can't see why we should be shut out from one of them: NYM NYY TOR SFG BOS Yamo (odds are he goes to NYM or NYY) Snell (odds are he goes to the loser of the Yamo race.) Monty Imanaga The loser on these two may sign 2 of the next tier, but yuck! (It better not be us!)

I do agree, it is more likely the Mets or Yanks get 2 from Yamo, Snell and Monty, but I don't think it's a slam dunk we have no or very long odds at getting one. I'm also fine with Monty and Imanaga, if the Mets get Yamo and the Yanks get Snell.

I'm not against that idea to some extent, but he also complains we don't spend as much as we used to, and JH needs to go. If we don't overpay, how else do we spend? 26 tem million dollar guys like Richards and Kluber?

He doesn't want us to overpay for anybody, then complains that our GM does nothing.

I'm not saying he won't spend. I'm saying at some point, he might think, "I can do better with my money" than signing Yamo. Let's say the price gets so high, he could sign Imanaga and Monty, instead. Might he not decide to do that, and let the Sox have Yamo?

This is one way to spend money without signing free agents. I'd like to see us go after someone with 3-5 years of team control, like.... 2022-2023: Luzardo (279 IP) 5.9 fWAR with 3 years of team control 81 ERA-, 3.40 FIP, 3.6 K/BB Garrett (248 IP) 4.4 fWAR with 5 years of team control 83 ERA-, 3.63 FIP, 18.7, 4.6 K/BB BTV Values: 63.3 Luzardo (91 AFV-28 est. salary) 57.7 Garrett (103 AFV-45.5 est. salary) I'm sure MIA will try to demand Bello, but maybe they'd take Mayer plus ____. Here are some BTV numbers they may want: 47.5 Bello (would defeat the purpose of we did this) 44.5 Mayer 41.8 Anthony 34.0 Duran 24.4 Crawford 22.1 Houck 21.5 Bleis (too far away?) 17.8 Teel 13.3 Yorke (They have a 2Bman.) 12.3 Rafaela 9.7 Schreiber 9.1 Wink 7.8 Abreu 5.7 Wikelman 3.5 Perales 2.3 Mata (I added him as a possible Roster clearing addition.) In theory, Mayer and Rafaela or Mayer, Rafaela and mato could get one of these two, but I'm not sure MIA covers Rafaela. BTV claims Mayer and Duran is a big overpay, but is it? Would you do it? How about Mayer and Crawford or Houck? Mayer, Crawford/Houck and Mata? I'd like to see garrett and Imanaga plus a good all around 2Bman (RH'd bat.)

I'm thinking we end up with Imanaga and maybe your guy, E Cabrera, but even that might be wishful thinking. (I'll be bummed, if that's it.)

So, Yamo wants to play for a winner, and that's one reason he'll choose the NY Mets? Am I missing something? I get the money angle, but will Cohen pay $1M more than any amount? There comes a point, where every GM realizes the money can be spent batter, elsewhere.

This would likely keep us significantly under the tax lline, so we should be able to do even more: like add a 3rd SP'er or an upgrade at Catcher or RF- maybe 2 of these upgrades!

LOL. Maybe, what we thought was a star was just a satélite.

Going last puts pressure on making a presentation that beats everyone else's. Maybe not just the money, but pulling out all the stops to make the player feel like he is the top priority. They have to match or exceed the one that has impressed him, before coming to meet with BOS. I hope we are up to the task.

Sounds good, in theory, but why wouldn’t he wait? We’d have to be blowing others away with an offer for him to jump the Yamo signing.

The Dodgers made the Rays pay $4M. I do think they might be out of the Yamo race, but who knows. NYY-BOS-NYM-TOR?

Extension pending

Flaherty to DET for $14M/1.

I disagree. I'm just not sure they "want him" that much.