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Debunking the 3 year window myth -- the Red Sox in 2020
cp176 replied to Fan_since_Boggs's topic in Boston Red Sox Talk
My vote probably goes to Votto. I'm not to hung up about the age of this guy. I enjoyed watching him play this weekend. -
I'm still going with Willie Mays from the right side and Ted from the left.
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Physically it looks to me as though E-Rod should be able to occupy the 3 hole if not be a solid #2. He is broad and strong. We will see how he matures mentally.
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Thanks for clearing things up. i still think that the picture with this pitching staff is pretty unclear though. I think that they are pretty good and that is about it. After Sale it gets pretty tough to label any of them I think.
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lol So should I!!!
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I think that you might be right but I still don't agree with his statement. I don't think that he represents a #4 #5 starter at all anytime. I really think that for the most part you can just throw a hat over E-Rod, Ricky P., and the Pom Pom. One might even go so far as to say weren't we fortunate that our #3#4 guy from last year won a Cy Young. I don't care what number anyone gives to our starters, in this day and age any pitcher with 16 wins ain't looking too bad.
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Yes I do remember that. That is why we all have to be a little careful with the judgemental comments I think . I'm as a guilty as the next guy of making them but I'm going to try to keep my future comments directed at what I actually see on the field.
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Oh I will try Max - I must have misunderstood what he was saying when he wrote that in his opinion Fox was the greatest right handed hitter of all time. For me, as much as I really didn't care for how he played the game, I would still go with Manny. Willie gets my vote for the greatest of all time.
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ok - give me the list - how many teams in ml baseball have a #4 or #5 starter who has accumulated 16 wins?
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28 - still a kid yes. i get your frustration with him tonight. I'm not so sure that he is quite as bad as you make him out to be. hard to believe that we are about to win the east with this pitching staff that you are so frustrated with Max. I think that your reaction might be a little over the top.
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Fox a better hitter than M. Ramirez/Mays/Aaron?
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left a few things out but still pretty good - unimportance(as in never to be used) of the bunt, hit and run, insignificance of a pitcher's won lost record... lol
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I think that your opinion is worth a lot when it comes to talking baseball as opposed to probability. I like these types of discussions. They are about the actual game as opposed to what the statistical data says the optimal batting order should be. It is a good old baseball discussion.
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I do agree that it was a weird play for sure!
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I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you about Vazquez playing that one by the book. No runners on base of course he goes down that line. Runners on base not so much. I'm not criticizing him for going after a bad throw but backing up first base on a groundball with runners on the base paths is not a fundamental part of his job. He might head that way with a runner on first but he has to know where everybody is on that fielld. That play is entirely in front of him.
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I think I understand what you are saying. In a perfect world, Vazquez doesn't get near that play. Workman to first following his throw. Moreland to Pedroia - Moreland follows that throw to second - Pedroia's forces Hamilton back to first - ether tags him out or should have been thrown to Workman who tags him out. Never more than 3 necessary to complete any rundown. If Vazquez went after that bad throw, one of those other knuckleheads (only said affectionately) should have had a clue and headed toward the plate. Which one? I don't care - Protocol says maybe the pitcher I guess - I would have thought though that maybe a guy with Pedroia's experience would have seen that one developing and headed toward the plate. Kind of a humorous play to develop and I'm not sure that anyone other than Pedroia gets blamed much here. I would not call that a series of mental mistakes. I would call that one an error on Pedroia and that's it. Sometimes things just happen. Farrell is off the hook on that one.
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I didn't really mean for my post to sound unfriendly Max. My OCD sends me on my way some times.
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I like your post here Max. Sale to me is a great example of a great pitcher who I knew very little about other than the fact that he could pitch when he came to Boston. I think he represents what every team wishes they had more of - Winner. I think that you are right about betts and I think Kimbrel has many of the same qualities that Sale has. They are big time team players who want to win.
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Sorry Max - great play Mookie - The discussion I was involved in had something to do with what I really care about - fundamental baseball. The execution on the rundown up until the ball left Pedroia's hand was fine. If Pedroia had executed the play correctly he would have tagged Hamilton out while forcing him back to first. 3 guys in the rundown (in this case you had your ss at second just in case). Pedroia screwed it up but the plate should still have been covered. The play Mookie scored on was a great play by Mookie coupled with a bad throw to first. hamilton has great speed but he took advantage I'm afraid of some pretty piss poor fundamental baseball. It is good to talk real bb stuff sometimes too.
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Thank you for this piece of info Moon. I compiling my most important useful statistical data list and this one has to be up near the top. We just need a 3 letter abbreviation to identify it.
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You are right. This particular play was a little different. I'm thinking that with a runner on first base, Vazquez needs to see what is in front of him and becomes a traffic cop. There should have been some communication between the pitcher and the catcher on this one. On the pickoff, Workman really should have been the third guy invollved in that rundown. 3 guys should be all you need. 2 throws all you need. It was poor execution by all of them but I'm still thinking that Vazquez needed to be the guy at the plate. I hope they are talking about this one today.
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Speaking of Porcello - it was great what he did for us last year but I think that this might be closer to who he really is. A good solid mid rotation kind of guy. In all honesty, I don't think that there really is much difference between him and Fister. Sale - not ours Pomeranz - not ours E-Rod - not ours Price - not ours Porcello - not ours Fister - not ours We've done a pretty good job of amassing players that we did not develop I'd say. No impending cliff.
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Regardless of how they do in the playoffs, I think that this team has over achieved greatly. I say that but I also think that they have done it by playing the game the way I like to see it played. They have played with heart, with courage, with grit. The have come through in so many "clutch" situations that it is almost unbelievable. They have contributions from too many players to give credit to. They would be the last team that I would want to play if I was the manager of an opposing team. They could go out early but they could also go all the way. As much as I believe in balance if it boiled down to an either or - strengthening an already good pitching staff or somehow signing Stanton long term, I would go with pitching all day. Historically we have been able to develop our big hitters from within. Not so much with our pitchers.
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I was very upset that Shaw was traded. Bit the bullet thinking that Thornburg was going to be key in a relief role and that Sandoval would at least be able to stay afloat at third. Obviously it is behind us now and the hind sighting ******** that gets done here does no good at all. I never expected to see Devers with us this year. Now that he is i'm very glad that he is. I'm still thinking that he will be our third baseman for some time.
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0 quit in these boys. After things started happening late, did you really ever doubt them getting it done. Not me!