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That's an asinine comparison, but whatever. Evaluators say what they say for a reason, and there's a reason why rankings change so much over the short-term, as you so graciously harped on before.
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This thread is a riot.
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11th =/= mediocre. Also, i'm the one who posted the Sickels rankings and his rationale, which is in his in-depth ranking. I know exactly where he ranked them.
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That's not what most talent evaluators say, including John Sickels, whose link was posted earlier on the thread. Most people doing this rankings say that the Red Sox farm is loaded with high-upside talent, but that it will take time for them to make an impact. It has been repeated over and over in the thread that for any given year, evaluators grade both talent and potential impact on the MLB club. The "talent" part of the equation is not the knock on the farm system. You have a pre-conceived notion on this subject that is honestly not correct. You can repeat it 'till you're blue in the face, but i'm going to trust the evaluators on this one. Also, the "other GM's aren't going to give away an SP" point is irrelevant to the quality of the prospects. A GM can ask for the moon for a serviceable pitcher like Gavin Floyd, and he won't get it. That's not a knock on the farm systems of the teams that end up not acquiring him, but rather a problem with the GM's expectations.
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They set a value for players. If they think that what the other team was asking is too much for their taste, they don't make a trade. Aren't you the "read between the lines" guy? Then why weren't their two main targets, Floyd and Garza, traded at all? Is it a problem with the Red Sox depth or were the Chicago teams asking for too much?
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This doesn't mean that a deal could not be struck, which was your initial point. The farm system can produce players for the trade. Middlebrooks got 56 At Bats in AAA, for one. The point of the Gonzales trade, by the way, were Kelly and Fuentes. Who are very comparable right now to some of the mid-level guys the Sox have right now if you take away Kelly's hype machine. The issue here is that your initial point was that they "don't have the players to pull off a trade for a SP". You came up with the "depth" argument afterwards. They have enough players in the farm system to pull off a trade. Depleting the farm system, as an argument, was inconsequential to the initial point. And even if we include it, they still have enough depth in certain positions to pull off a trade without seriously damaging the farm. You keep bashing the "mediocrity" of the farm, but i don't quite think you're focusing on the real status of the Red Sox farm system. It's not a lack of talent that the system suffers from.
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"Preferable" does not remove the possibility (and it's a very real one) that the Red Sox can prepare a package for an SP if they want to. The right deal simply hasn't come along. Players like Adrian Gonzales, Mark Teixeira (when traded to Atlanta), CC Sabathia (when traded to Milwaukee) have all been traded for packages with guys with high ceilings who were a ways off. You are dead wrong. Your initial point is also incorrect, and again, shows a lack of knowledge of the system. If the Red Sox offered up Middlebrroks, Jacobs, Ranaudo and Sean Coyle for Gavin Floyd, Kenny Williams would fly him to Boston himself.
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If the budget of 190 million reported by some media outlets is true, they already flew by the luxury tax threshold. That doesn't erase the possibility that they closed the purse on Cherington. It's not "consistent" with what you're saying at all. You interpret it that way because of convenience.
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You mean like Reymond Fuentes, who was one of the centerpieces of the Gonzales deal? Let's remove top prospects from the equation. Prospects do not need to be MLB-ready to fetch a good return. The Red Sox have some redundant guys (regarding position) with high upside who could be packaged in a deal for a good SP, like Garin Cecchini, Bryce Brentz, and Kolbrin Vitek who could be used in conjunction with a better piece in a trade. Don't underestimate the farm just because it lacks "ready now" prospects. A lot of the times, those guys who are a little farther off are still highly appreciated by other teams.
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You don't know the Red Sox farm system very well, do you? A package of Ryan Lavarnway, Will Middlebrooks and Xander Bogaerts gets any team listening regarding a SP. The fact that several of the better prospects are considered part of the team's future, and to an extent "untouchable" is a testament to the level of the farm.
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For the record, i didn't post the 560 IP benchmark for the top three arbitrarily: Upon some research, the league average for top-three starters is right around 540 IP. The Sox have been right around 546 during the same time period. I never said it was set in stone that they'll get over 560 innings between the three of them. What i am saying, is that there is a strong possibility, unless a catastrophic injury happens, of the three of them combining for that amount. For the record, during Beckett's 2008 (which is being touted as one of the super bad years) Beckett combined with Wakefield and Lester to provide 565 IP of Sub-4 ERA ball.
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Muggah, you're an idiot. There's no if or but about it. Have fun with your "sky is falling" ********.
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Correlation =/= causation.
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An opinion is saying "Perhaps they won't.....and this is why". Saying "THEY WON'T AND YOU'RE A POLYANNA FOR THINKING THEY WILL" is not an opinion. But thanks for your opinion.
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Including MILB innings (which are innings pitched) he threw 199 in 2009 and 177 in 2010. The injury is a reality, but it doesn't take away from what he was doing in 2011. Besides, if my estimate is 560 for the three pitchers combined, he doesn't even need to get 185 (which i think he will anyway, because i don't try to find the WCS for everything). Even-numbered years. That's a stupid theory that you adopt using your "SKY IS FALLING" outlook. Stick to facts. And you speak of comical. What a joke.
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Because of the fragile nature of pitchers, basically every one of them is a question mark of some sort.
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Josh Beckett has thrown 190+ innings four out of the six years he's been a Red Sox. Bucholz was on pace to throw around 185 and got a freak injury. Expecting 560 innings out of the three of them is not unrealistic unless you're stupidly negative.
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Dude has to post about everything.
