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486 PA's over the entire year

Yup, and it's PA like Station says.

AB's. He needs the amount of games played multiplied by three iirc.

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Come on, gotta tie this up. Sac fly's good though.

MJ, your game thread privileges are hereby revoked

Santana has not been a very good pitcher in his career in general, he has ERA's close to 6 against a lot of good teams, and a lot of pitchers have ERA's close to 6 against the Yanks from when they were the premier offensive team in the league.

You say that about virtually every pitcher who the Yankees manage to score a couple of runs against.

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I remember reading somewhere (Fangraphs i believe, i'll see if i can dig it up) that you could pretty much define an "ace" or "#1" type pitcher as a guy who could provide consistent 200 IP seasons with a WAR above four (why specifically that cut-off was explained, i just can't remember why). If you use that criteria, you only have around 14 pitchers in the league who can be considered true 1's, or aces.

Wait, Derek Jeter is your favorite baseball player? Please leave your Red Sox fan card, man card, and human being card at the desk, then quickly find the tallest building in the area, and throw yourself from the top of it.

All of these guys, except Sale, are #2 and #3 pitchers occupying top slots in a rotation devoid of a clear #1. Colon was once an ace, or #1, and Sale is on the verge of becoming a bona fide ace. Saying Bud Norris is a #1 pitcher is a travesty

I'm not twisting anything. By definition, an ace and a #1 are the same thing, subjective as the definitions may be. When people refer to a #1, they are talking about an ace-type pitcher. Ace: Pitcher capable of headlining a rotation and facing off in equal ground against any other team's best pitcher, while providing a significant amount of IP per season. #1: Pitcher capable of headlining a rotation and facing off on equal ground against any other team's best pitcher, while providing a significant amount of IP per season. In other words, Lackey is neither a #1 nor an ace. However, if he keeps this up, he could end up having a #1 or ace type season. There's really no need to further complicate the definition of a pitcher's production. To further clarify my position, although every team has a #1 spot in their rotation, not all of those pitchers are #1's, or aces. Take the San Diego Padres for instance, who started the season with Edinson Volquez in the #1 spot in their rotation. However, Volquez is not a #1 or an ace.

When i say "consistently good", i'm talking about years, not months. He's been on the verge of excellence this year. The only thing holding him back are walks.

His velocity has also steadily increased to the point where, over his last five starts, his average fastball velocity has been over 90 MPH, with a maximum of 94 MPH. If he can fully regain his velocity while continuing to develop his command, then he could be consistently good.

Not at all. Pitching out of the bullpen and starting games are entirely different beasts in both preparation and approach. And while we're both speculating, the fact that the Red Sox, who clearly have a better grasp than we do on what's better for the kid, have resisted the temptation to convert him to relief, should count for something.

It depends on the way it's used. Usually the SP prospects they bring up as relievers for MLB exposure are A: About to reach the big leagues full time. B: Close to their innings cap for that year. And it's not that i'm flip-flopping on this either, given my RdLR argument. I usually endorse these types of moves to give kids MLB exposure. The problem with RdLR is that he's post-op, not close to his IP cap (which he should hit while starting if possible), and in dire need of some consistency.

The depends on the pitcher imo. While the distance is shorter, a lot of pitchers pay so little attention to 2nd base runners that getting a lead large enough to steal on them without the catcher having any chance to throw them out is relatively easy.

Give me a universally accepted definition of ace. I'll wait.

Find me a reputable source that separates the definition between #1 and ace like you do above. I'll wait. As you have been told several times by other posters, your opinion is not fact.

Dude, he's being stretched after losing time with major surgery. You keep ignoring that fact like it never happened. That's more than enough reason to conclude that he needs to finish being stretched out and maintain a consistent pace. The idea that taking him out of his schedule to have him pitch out of the BP at least medium term is counter-productive at best and idiotic at worst. Maybe by September, but right now just look at the command meltdowns he has intermittently, and tell me he should be taken out of his regular pitching schedule

Gonzalez is not part of the investigation. The products he bought were legal.

Wait, so it's almost the middle of July and Salty's hitting .271? Dafuq?

You have A-Rod, Braun, those four, and the rest are either no-name players or noobs with the exception of Everth Cabrera who is having a fine season.

Well that's a "whole lot" of the big names.