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There is no reason to believe this team does not have some solid pieces that should still be at its core. I guess I don't understand why you would get rid of those guys. There are not that many of them and I guess I understand the idea that nobody is untouchable. I do think you want Pedroia. I cannot see the value of trading him. There is not a single pitcher that I think is an indispensable member of the Sox. Rebuilding the rotation looks like more than a one year project. So I can't say that there are guys in that rotation that have to be there. It is more an issue of what you get back for the pitchers you do trade. I know I am going to sound like the biggest sucker on the planet but Buch might be the one guy of the "Big Three" that I would do my best to try to hold onto. Boy they would be in much better shape to get this team positioned for the near term future without the CC and AGons contracts hanging over them. CC is just a huge basket of question marks now complicated by having to determine how to deal with his elbow. I just don't think you can look at the way AGons has hit the ball since mid season last year and say that he is not suffering a power outage of some sort. The shoulder is a big joint. It does not have to cause you discomfort to be less than 100%. My knee does not cause me discomfort on a regular basis but it is not as strong as it was before injury many years ago. My right shoulder does not cause me discomfort but it is not as strong as it was before injury and neither joint will likely ever be the same again. I think that is the one thing that folks don't take into account with these sorts of joint injuries and their remedies. It is not like you get back a 100% healthy joint. You never in my view get back the joint you had before you injured it. AGons shoulder may never be the same again and he may never be the same power hitter he was at one time.

Good luck scoring enough runs to reach out over the 27th best bunch of starters in baseball. I think they will and can pitch a bit better than that but not enough better to make a difference. I think the real problem is that Sox Management won't see enough of a chance for this team to really make a run that they will get another arm for the rotation and with the guys they have now, there simply is not enough consistent good pitching to get the job done....at least I don't think so. Remember Felix will likely fall out of this rotation just based on the number of innings he has pitched. Not sure which is worse...stayin' in or going out. I had not thought about it till just the last few days but with Felix, Frank and Jon that is three LH pitchers in the rotation at least at present. There is no way that a rotation with three LH pitchers survives in Fenway Park....so I think the whole six starters thing is a bunch of hot air. They would have to be nuts to try that for any length of time at least with the guys they have now.

Well I was reminded recently that the new CBA takes another year of arb off the table. So now it becomes a straight up deal for services over time at some cost. I don't think there will be an offers to Ortiz that the Sox can't match if they don't want to.There are so few teams that can actually make an offer for Ortiz, all in the AL obviously, that I I would bet the very best he would get in term would be 2 years and maybe $9M per year.....maybe. Without the arb option, I doubt he would get more than $12M for 1 year. David's problem is not his production. His problem is that the available candidates for his services are narrowed down to a select few. The Yanks are already a very old team. They won't make him an offer he would accept. Maybe Texas would make him an offer.....I can't think of more than 3-4 teams that would even be in the running and that is the problem for David.

Well I guess the issue is that everyday players do play with the same injury that very quickly sends a pitcher to TJ surgery. If the injury becomes very painful, then the surgery becomes the recommended course of action. So I guess that is really what it boils down to for an everyday player. However if it does eventually become to uncomfortable for him then given the amount of time he has missed for these other injuries, not dealing with the elbow would seem pretty foolish. Bad enough the Sox are overpaying for a heathy player....now CC is just another player eating up resources doing nothing. I do think at this point, regardless of the fact that the plasma shot has done very little according to Carl, he is committed to playing this year with the injury. Of course while you don't have to have a great arm to play Fenway's left field, CC will become yet another player that you are hoping will generate enough offense to make up for the fact that Carl will throw out nobody from LF. In fact in all likelihood he will get the same advice LaRussa gave Albert when he had the same issue....just soft toss the ball into the SS. That aught to be effective! You could see that being OK if the Sox pitchers did not give up line drives like a broken candy machine gives up jawbreakers.

Actually the Sox are ranked 21st in ERA for total pitching. The starters are now ranked 27th in ERA when ranked against other team starters. That is three from the bottom of all ML baseball. I should point out that the Sox have lost places in total pitching and in starting pitching over the course of the Yankee series so far. They have lost 5 places to 21st in ERA for total pitching and they have lost 6 places to 27th ERA for starting pitchers.

That was a really fun game to watch for a change although our starting pitching is fast heading to the basement for ERA in all of baseball. They stand at 27th now. The one thing I had not thought about until just as this game ended was the three LH pitchers going for us in a row in Fenway. I had not thought that much about this possibility because I figured Felix was running out of time as a starting cause of the innings count. However I sure in hell don't think the Sox want to go through too many spins of the rotation in Fenway running three LH pitchers out there.

Oh f*** I forgot...another LH pitcher....what a cluster f***..we have to pitch three straight LH pitchers in this park against this line up....how in the name of God did anybody think we were going to take 3 out 4. We will be lucky to split.

Yes sox....now bang out another win tomorrow and earn the split at least....and I do mean bang it out cause that is the only way this team wins games.

Now that he has been closing for half the year, you really can't judge Aceves in a non-save situation. The guy has been coming into save situations all year long and had 5 runs to play with.

Take note of this you f***ing Red Sox regulars with your fat paychecks....that standing O is as much about the stale stink that you f***ing *******s make as about the breadth of fresh air this kid is. Hope you *******s get it.

That is the first time I have seen mike hit one of those in a month

Oh man every f***ing pitcher in baseball now after aviles in exactly the same way every time out

Well if the Sox must win this game then they must win Sunday also....at this point would love to get outta' here with a split

Yesssss Jesus Vincente got lucky there...he did not look like he was putting the ball where he wanted it AT ALL

Oh God I thought sure Salty was going to lose that

For f*** sake almighty we cannot pitch our way out of a f***ing paper bag.

Well that was where he was going but got lucky...not a very good pitch there

OK Mort...low outside now

Well I got carried away there. PUNTO semi-bomb

PUNTO bomb

Damn this bum still has not gotten a pitch past anybody

Dickwad scorer...give the guy a hit you jerk

Joe I really think the guy just needs a few more pitches to settle down...don't you....Ya that sounds like a good idea

Oh please keep this bum in longer....please please please

C'mon Gomex send this into orbit.... this guy has nothing