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Holy hell, Lackey actually wiggled out of that mess!

It was a bad trade in restrospect (love hindsight) but the truth is, Arroyo would have been exactly that, an average AL starter.

Note to Lackey: It's June, you can stop sucking now.

Million dollar body, ten cent head. That's the type of guy everybody thinks they can fix and keeps getting chances, but more often than not, never puts everything together. It's a high risk-high reward type of proposition.

Arroyo's not garbage, but he's not in Beckett's league, and he's also much more suited for the NL, he suffered a massive regression from his very good 2004 to his 2005 season, and it raised red flags. But what's done is done, and both Beckett and Lowell were key parts in the 2007 WS run.

This is a baseball forum, as you said yourself in another thread, we're discussing baseball. Is that a problem?

Josh Beckett and Mike Lowell + 07 WS>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bronson. The whole argument is just another example of rhet's personal vendetta against the FO. His attempt to use ERA+ is completely incorrect. The context of the argument pertains league, not ballpark, not to mention the one year he was a full-time starter in the NL and had more than 180 IP he had a 4.51 ERA and 101 ERA+. Don't get me wrong, in retrospect, we got the short end of the stick, but it wasn't a "fleecing" of massive proportions as rhet intends to portray it. They had a surplus of pitching (or so they thought, you can never have too much pitching) and tried to turn it into a guy who had tremendous upside but could never quite put everything together, and it backfired, but trying to compare Arroyo's NL body of work to Beckett's AL body of work is ridiculous. Brad Penny and Carlos Silva are looking like legitimate number one starters in the NL, because it's an inferior league. Trying to overlook that is foolish.

When you want to criticize the FO, however, when talking about players you don't like, the numbers aren't the numbers. RBI are the numbers. Well done sir.

Ballpark, not league. There's a major difference between Arroyo and Beckett. Just look at the peripherals (2006-2010): Arroyo: 1.319 WHIP (LOL)/6.4 K/9 (LOL)/2.33 BB/9 (LOL) Beckett: 1.20 WHIP, 8.2 K/9, 2.4 BB/9. Arroyo pitched in the NL Central, and Beckett pitched in the AL East. so Beckett has had better peripherals while pitching in the stronger league, which makes the argument border on the ridiculous. Honest question: Who would have chosen Arroyo over Beckett when looking at the numbers?

Lol because the NL Central is the same as the AL East.

.Stephen Strasburg's debut date has been set. June 8 versus Pittsburgh.

Quick comparison: Victor Martinez games caught by season 2004-2010: 2004: 126 2005: 140 2006: 128 2007: 121 2008: 55 (Injured) 2009: .83 Mike Napoli games played 2006-2009: 2006: 87 2007: 68 2008: 74 2009: 87 Who's the regular and who's the part time player?

In all seriousness, who in their right mind would trade Casey Kelly or Victor Martinez straight up for Mike Napoli? Anyone?

Oh yeah, let's compare Mike Napoli to Adam Dunn or Carlos Pena. They have never been regular players and have been played based on matchups for basically all of their career. Yup. They're also catchers, who are not known to lose offensive firepower as the season progresses due to the rigors of catching. I'm obviously making that up. Napoli played 114 games last year. He has never played more than 114 games in a season, of those, only 84 were started at C. Therefore, he has never played a full season in the Major Leagues, and has never catched more than 100 games. But hey, if being a tandem catcher's not being a part-time player, then maybe there are some baseball terms i simply don't understand and i need you to explain to me.:dunno: Incorrect. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/split.cgi?n1=napolmi01&year=2009&t=b#defp Started 87 games. Needs to play more than 114 games, and catch more than 100. My money's on it not happening this year, but Mike Scioscia might just listen to you. After all, you can evaluate talent better than them.

Broken with two outs in the 6th.

Two simple points: 1)Napoli's playing time has been spread as a part-time player throughout a number of seasons. A player that is used in positive matchups will usually have superior numbers than if played full-time. Or so would logic dictate. Jason Varitek could maintain an upper .800 OPS if played throughout 70-80 games in positive matchups for him. But wait, that's what they've done with Napoli throughout his career! 2) Napoli warms the bench for Jeff Mathis. You are not a better talent evaluator than Mike Scioscia or the Angels organization as a whole. Max games catched in a season: 87. A WHOLE SEASON!!!! That is all.

The point is the "long shot argument" it's being quoted in context. Jimenez is the best, but not by a long shot. He is the best right now, but i don't think Halladay is that far behind.

Spread out over five years of limited AB's, the concept of regular and limited playing time shouldn't be so hard to comprehend. LOL. And the last sentence. Well i may need to be taken to the hospital due to an attack of hysteric laughter.